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Need Help Setting up: Sherline Mill + XS-3525/8S-4 + Mystery Stepper
9 years 5 months ago #93262
by big wave
Hi everybody. Bit of a noob here.
I got a second-hand Sherline 5400 mill with a Xylotex XS-3525/8S-4 controller and unmarked stepper motors. The calibration is off by about 50% [test travel for 1" only goes .5"]. The setup in Stepconf is using 200 Steps/Revolution, and 2 microsteps on each axis. I verified the lead screw thread pitch on the Sherline at 20 tpi with a direct 1:1 connection.
When I try testing the motor at 400 Steps/Rev and 2-Microsteps the Z-Axis works but X-stalls and generally complains. It seems like it's not going a full 1" but that may be an error in my observation while the axis is in motion- I'll do a more accurate measurement tomorrow.
I'm using the "Other" settings for the controller type and have set the timing to 1000, 1000, 200, 200 for Step Time, Step Space Direction Hold and Direction Setup, respectively. That seems to match the data on this site and the datasheet.
A few questions to the community:
Should the number of micro steps change the number of radians/degrees traversed if the steps per revolution is constant [e.g. 200 steps/rev set with (2, 4, or 8 micro steps) should be the same degrees traversed]? - I think not since micro steps should be incremental between a full step -- again, i 'm a bit of a noob wrt Steppers in general so please forgive my ignorance.
Also, how do you jog in single-step increments to test movement in absolute steps? -- I set the TPI on the Z-Axis to one and used the "Test this axis" GUI to "Run" with a "Test Area" of +-1" thinking that should traverse one full revolution if the calibration is correct. It seems close to one full rev when i set SPI to 400.
Any recommendations for setting up accurately given this setup with an unknown motor?
Thanks,
Dave
I got a second-hand Sherline 5400 mill with a Xylotex XS-3525/8S-4 controller and unmarked stepper motors. The calibration is off by about 50% [test travel for 1" only goes .5"]. The setup in Stepconf is using 200 Steps/Revolution, and 2 microsteps on each axis. I verified the lead screw thread pitch on the Sherline at 20 tpi with a direct 1:1 connection.
When I try testing the motor at 400 Steps/Rev and 2-Microsteps the Z-Axis works but X-stalls and generally complains. It seems like it's not going a full 1" but that may be an error in my observation while the axis is in motion- I'll do a more accurate measurement tomorrow.
I'm using the "Other" settings for the controller type and have set the timing to 1000, 1000, 200, 200 for Step Time, Step Space Direction Hold and Direction Setup, respectively. That seems to match the data on this site and the datasheet.
A few questions to the community:
Should the number of micro steps change the number of radians/degrees traversed if the steps per revolution is constant [e.g. 200 steps/rev set with (2, 4, or 8 micro steps) should be the same degrees traversed]? - I think not since micro steps should be incremental between a full step -- again, i 'm a bit of a noob wrt Steppers in general so please forgive my ignorance.
Also, how do you jog in single-step increments to test movement in absolute steps? -- I set the TPI on the Z-Axis to one and used the "Test this axis" GUI to "Run" with a "Test Area" of +-1" thinking that should traverse one full revolution if the calibration is correct. It seems close to one full rev when i set SPI to 400.
Any recommendations for setting up accurately given this setup with an unknown motor?
Thanks,
Dave
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9 years 5 months ago #93267
by big wave
Replied by big wave on topic Need Help Setting up: Sherline Mill + XS-3525/8S-4 + Mystery Stepper
Update: after setting the max velocity to .2 from the default 1 its, things seems to smooth out and run accurately.
200 x 8 micro steps velocity .2 IPS acceleration 5 ip s2. Much more than .2 and the motors howl .. stalling. but I'm getting different behavior for the X versus Z -- Z axis seems a bit more tolerant at .4 ips. I'm still not getting why the micro steps are changing how may degrees of travel the motor is turning.
200 x 8 micro steps velocity .2 IPS acceleration 5 ip s2. Much more than .2 and the motors howl .. stalling. but I'm getting different behavior for the X versus Z -- Z axis seems a bit more tolerant at .4 ips. I'm still not getting why the micro steps are changing how may degrees of travel the motor is turning.
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9 years 5 months ago #93270
by tommylight
Replied by tommylight on topic Need Help Setting up: Sherline Mill + XS-3525/8S-4 + Mystery Stepper
Can you please post your hal and ini file so we can have a look?
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9 years 5 months ago #93289
by big wave
Replied by big wave on topic Need Help Setting up: Sherline Mill + XS-3525/8S-4 + Mystery Stepper
Thanks,
Here are the files. I've got the IPS set at .2 and this seems to be smooth.
Here are the files. I've got the IPS set at .2 and this seems to be smooth.
Code:
# Generated by stepconf 1.1 at Tue May 16 09:25:09 2017
# If you make changes to this file, they will be
# overwritten when you run stepconf again
loadrt trivkins
loadrt [EMCMOT]EMCMOT base_period_nsec=[EMCMOT]BASE_PERIOD servo_period_nsec=[EMCMOT]SERVO_PERIOD num_joints=[TRAJ]AXES
loadrt hal_parport cfg="0x378 out"
setp parport.0.reset-time 1000
loadrt stepgen step_type=0,0,0
loadrt pwmgen output_type=1
addf parport.0.read base-thread
addf stepgen.make-pulses base-thread
addf pwmgen.make-pulses base-thread
addf parport.0.write base-thread
addf parport.0.reset base-thread
addf stepgen.capture-position servo-thread
addf motion-command-handler servo-thread
addf motion-controller servo-thread
addf stepgen.update-freq servo-thread
addf pwmgen.update servo-thread
net spindle-cmd-rpm => pwmgen.0.value
net spindle-on <= motion.spindle-on => pwmgen.0.enable
net spindle-pwm <= pwmgen.0.pwm
setp pwmgen.0.pwm-freq 100.0
setp pwmgen.0.scale 1166.66666667
setp pwmgen.0.offset 0.114285714286
setp pwmgen.0.dither-pwm true
net spindle-cmd-rpm <= motion.spindle-speed-out
net spindle-cmd-rpm-abs <= motion.spindle-speed-out-abs
net spindle-cmd-rps <= motion.spindle-speed-out-rps
net spindle-cmd-rps-abs <= motion.spindle-speed-out-rps-abs
net spindle-at-speed => motion.spindle-at-speed
net spindle-cw <= motion.spindle-forward
net estop-out => parport.0.pin-01-out
net xstep => parport.0.pin-02-out
setp parport.0.pin-02-out-reset 1
net xdir => parport.0.pin-03-out
net ystep => parport.0.pin-04-out
setp parport.0.pin-04-out-reset 1
net ydir => parport.0.pin-05-out
net zstep => parport.0.pin-06-out
setp parport.0.pin-06-out-reset 1
net zdir => parport.0.pin-07-out
net astep => parport.0.pin-08-out
setp parport.0.pin-08-out-reset 1
net adir => parport.0.pin-09-out
net spindle-cw => parport.0.pin-14-out
net spindle-pwm => parport.0.pin-16-out
net xenable => parport.0.pin-17-out
setp stepgen.0.position-scale [AXIS_0]SCALE
setp stepgen.0.steplen 1
setp stepgen.0.stepspace 0
setp stepgen.0.dirhold 21200
setp stepgen.0.dirsetup 21200
setp stepgen.0.maxaccel [AXIS_0]STEPGEN_MAXACCEL
net xpos-cmd axis.0.motor-pos-cmd => stepgen.0.position-cmd
net xpos-fb stepgen.0.position-fb => axis.0.motor-pos-fb
net xstep <= stepgen.0.step
net xdir <= stepgen.0.dir
net xenable axis.0.amp-enable-out => stepgen.0.enable
setp stepgen.1.position-scale [AXIS_1]SCALE
setp stepgen.1.steplen 1
setp stepgen.1.stepspace 0
setp stepgen.1.dirhold 21200
setp stepgen.1.dirsetup 21200
setp stepgen.1.maxaccel [AXIS_1]STEPGEN_MAXACCEL
net ypos-cmd axis.1.motor-pos-cmd => stepgen.1.position-cmd
net ypos-fb stepgen.1.position-fb => axis.1.motor-pos-fb
net ystep <= stepgen.1.step
net ydir <= stepgen.1.dir
net yenable axis.1.amp-enable-out => stepgen.1.enable
setp stepgen.2.position-scale [AXIS_2]SCALE
setp stepgen.2.steplen 1
setp stepgen.2.stepspace 0
setp stepgen.2.dirhold 21200
setp stepgen.2.dirsetup 21200
setp stepgen.2.maxaccel [AXIS_2]STEPGEN_MAXACCEL
net zpos-cmd axis.2.motor-pos-cmd => stepgen.2.position-cmd
net zpos-fb stepgen.2.position-fb => axis.2.motor-pos-fb
net zstep <= stepgen.2.step
net zdir <= stepgen.2.dir
net zenable axis.2.amp-enable-out => stepgen.2.enable
net estop-out <= iocontrol.0.user-enable-out
net estop-out => iocontrol.0.emc-enable-in
net tool-number <= iocontrol.0.tool-prep-number
net tool-change-loopback iocontrol.0.tool-change => iocontrol.0.tool-changed
net tool-prepare-loopback iocontrol.0.tool-prepare => iocontrol.0.tool-prepared
dave@gmuncher:~/Desktop/sherline_Xylotex3525_8S4$
Code:
# Generated by stepconf 1.1 at Tue May 16 09:25:09 2017
# If you make changes to this file, they will be
# overwritten when you run stepconf again
[EMC]
MACHINE = sherline_Xylotex3525_8S4
DEBUG = 0
[DISPLAY]
DISPLAY = axis
EDITOR = gedit
POSITION_OFFSET = RELATIVE
POSITION_FEEDBACK = ACTUAL
ARCDIVISION = 64
GRIDS = 10mm 20mm 50mm 100mm 1in 2in 5in 10in
MAX_FEED_OVERRIDE = 1.2
MIN_SPINDLE_OVERRIDE = 0.5
MAX_SPINDLE_OVERRIDE = 1.2
DEFAULT_LINEAR_VELOCITY = 0.10
MIN_LINEAR_VELOCITY = 0
MAX_LINEAR_VELOCITY = 0.20
INTRO_GRAPHIC = linuxcnc.gif
INTRO_TIME = 5
PROGRAM_PREFIX = /home/dave/linuxcnc/nc_files
INCREMENTS = .1in .05in .01in .005in .001in .0005in .0001in
PYVCP = custompanel.xml
[FILTER]
PROGRAM_EXTENSION = .png,.gif,.jpg Greyscale Depth Image
PROGRAM_EXTENSION = .py Python Script
png = image-to-gcode
gif = image-to-gcode
jpg = image-to-gcode
py = python
[TASK]
TASK = milltask
CYCLE_TIME = 0.010
[RS274NGC]
PARAMETER_FILE = linuxcnc.var
[EMCMOT]
EMCMOT = motmod
COMM_TIMEOUT = 1.0
COMM_WAIT = 0.010
BASE_PERIOD = 100000
SERVO_PERIOD = 1000000
[HAL]
HALUI = halui
HALFILE = sherline_Xylotex3525_8S4.hal
HALFILE = custom.hal
POSTGUI_HALFILE = custom_postgui.hal
[HALUI]
# add halui MDI commands here (max 64)
[TRAJ]
AXES = 3
COORDINATES = X Y Z
LINEAR_UNITS = inch
ANGULAR_UNITS = degree
CYCLE_TIME = 0.010
DEFAULT_VELOCITY = 0.10
MAX_VELOCITY = 0.20
[EMCIO]
EMCIO = io
CYCLE_TIME = 0.100
TOOL_TABLE = tool.tbl
[AXIS_0]
TYPE = LINEAR
HOME = 0.0
MAX_VELOCITY = 0.2
MAX_ACCELERATION = 15.0
STEPGEN_MAXACCEL = 18.75
SCALE = 32000.0
FERROR = 0.05
MIN_FERROR = 0.01
MIN_LIMIT = -0.01
MAX_LIMIT = 9.0
HOME_OFFSET = 0.0
[AXIS_1]
TYPE = LINEAR
HOME = 0.0
MAX_VELOCITY = 0.2
MAX_ACCELERATION = 5.0
STEPGEN_MAXACCEL = 6.25
SCALE = 32000.0
FERROR = 0.05
MIN_FERROR = 0.01
MIN_LIMIT = -0.01
MAX_LIMIT = 4.0
HOME_OFFSET = 0.0
[AXIS_2]
TYPE = LINEAR
HOME = 0.0
MAX_VELOCITY = 0.2
MAX_ACCELERATION = 5.0
STEPGEN_MAXACCEL = 6.25
SCALE = 32000.0
FERROR = 0.05
MIN_FERROR = 0.01
MIN_LIMIT = -9.0
MAX_LIMIT = 0.01
HOME_OFFSET = 0.0
dave@gmuncher:~/linuxcnc/configs/sherline_Xylotex3525_8S4$
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9 years 5 months ago #93293
by tommylight
Replied by tommylight on topic Need Help Setting up: Sherline Mill + XS-3525/8S-4 + Mystery Stepper
At a glance it all looks good. What drives? Xylotex or something else? Check the motor current on the drives, if they are nema 17 up to 1Amp should be ok, some can do more. Check if the motors get warm after 5 to 10 minutes of work or siting idle but locked, they should just start to get warm in that time frame. Can you turn the motors or screws by hand? Try that with motors off to check for binding, and with motors on to see how much torque they have at stand stil.
Regards,
Tom
Regards,
Tom
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9 years 5 months ago #93325
by big wave
Thanks Tom!. Things seem to be well behaved now. Last night, I was able to home the thing and dry run the Linux Logo program.
I had to reverse the Y and Z direction pins to the so the tool path directions aligned to the displayed coordinate system. At .2IPS everything seems to be working. I'm not sure what the steppers are.
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Replied by big wave on topic Need Help Setting up: Sherline Mill + XS-3525/8S-4 + Mystery Stepper
tommylight wrote: At a glance it all looks good. What drives? Xylotex or something else? Check the motor current on the drives, if they are nema 17 up to 1Amp should be ok, some can do more. Check if the motors get warm after 5 to 10 minutes of work or siting idle but locked, they should just start to get warm in that time frame. Can you turn the motors or screws by hand? Try that with motors off to check for binding, and with motors on to see how much torque they have at stand stil.
Regards,
Tom
Thanks Tom!. Things seem to be well behaved now. Last night, I was able to home the thing and dry run the Linux Logo program.
I had to reverse the Y and Z direction pins to the so the tool path directions aligned to the displayed coordinate system. At .2IPS everything seems to be working. I'm not sure what the steppers are.
-D
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