Do NOT update working machines!!!

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4 months 13 hours ago #347443 by tommylight
I feel this is adequate but not sure if this is the right place, feel free to correct me.
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As i read almost everything here, i keep noticing the same issue happening over and over, namely where users of LinuxCNC update/upgrade version for no particular reason and end up with broken machines.
This stems from the windows "update mentality" being forced upon us for the last 20 odd years... never mind.
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[bold]In short, never update/upgrade a working machine, unless you explicitly need new features.[/bold]
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It is Linux, and no matter how much money microsoft invests on youtubers to convince you that Linux is not secure, IT absolutely IS secure, the whole world uses Linux, all WORLD servers are running Linux (even microsoft's servers run Linux since 2000 with Red Hat), are on public IP so the whole world has access to them, yet very rarely anything happens to them.
STOP TYPING!
Even when something happens, almost always it is some running service/software that failed/got hacked, not LINUX, or some old server that was last updated 15 years ago.
And for those watching youtube about this, notice they never ever mention the comparison is being done for the web browser, NOT for the operating system.
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3 months 4 weeks ago - 3 months 4 weeks ago #347478 by timo
What do you mean with secure? There is a PC and it runs linux. The IT risk with my machine is a) lightning strike b) harddrive failure.
a) fixed by backup machine b) fixed with spare harddrive. ... Done!

If someone steals the PC it is also gone ...

p.s. Never change a running system, never run a changing system!
Last edit: 3 months 4 weeks ago by timo.
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3 months 4 weeks ago #347490 by snowgoer540
On the other hand ... I've gotten tons of invaluable feedback from those brave/patient enough to adopt the latest version and provide bug feedback ... much of it coming from people running a business with said machine (some of the best feedback is from folks who actually use it constantly).
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3 months 4 weeks ago #347494 by tommylight
Snowwy, i am sure i have not formulated that very nicely, to much that makes me loose my marbles there, but mostly the "fear everything" mentality sweeping the world.
And i am for sure the most paranoid one here, yet i have to ask not to update as it is an ongoing hassle for many users.
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I would really appreciate if someone else would write something about this, and i will gladly delete this.
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People with a single machine that their business relies on, should really never update/upgrade, unless they want to risk it, others are welcomed to and even encouraged to as it provides invaluable feedback.
But most important, explain they do not have to and it is not a must, as they have been conditioned to from microshaft and it's useless code and non existing code auditing.
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3 months 4 weeks ago #347510 by rodw
There are so many things that force a system upgrade, Components fail, new drivers needed and so on.
Without upgrades you would miss out on so many amazing improvements to LinuxCNC. QTplasmac and QTdragon are cases in point and running master branch with them is almost mandatory. What about 9 axis look ahead or S-curve jerk limited trajectory planning?

You just need a plan and a fall back position, I generally create a new config in Mesaconf or stepconf with very rough settings. Then once motion is confirmed, cut and paste all of my original ini and hal settings accross. That gets me running. Then its just a matter of adding all the new nice to have features. 3D probing, spindle torque display and so on. It only takes an hour or so.

Sorry but I like to stay pretty current. It makes support much easier. 
Did I tell you I get a bit annoyed when people say I have this working machine on 2.5 and it broke when I upgraded to 2.9? The truth of the matter, it broke several times all at once. Have you any idea how old 2.5 is? I've been using LinuxCNC for over 10 years. 2.7 was where I started but 2.8 came out before I finished my first config, so I upgraded straight away because It had features I wanted. I'd venture to say you will have less downtime if you stay current as you only make small steps at a time. upgrading 4 versions? you might as well adopt Mach 3!
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3 months 3 weeks ago #347572 by timo
When I updated I just started with a "fresh" hard drive. Then i do not have to deal with anything other than swapping SATA connection to get back from "experiment" to working.

My biggest problem is to keep some proper documentation (always bites me).
Trying to at least put a lot of comments into my hal and ini files.
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