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14 years 11 months ago #15235 by PKM
Thanks, Andy, I understand that.
But in case the the part does not move, is it absolutely necessary?
Where can I read about adaptive feed rate?

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14 years 11 months ago #15236 by andypugh
PKM wrote:

Thanks, Andy, I understand that.
But in case the the part does not move, is it absolutely necessary?

I don't know, I have only very peripherally used a wire-EDM.

Where can I read about adaptive feed rate?

linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode_main.html#s...daptive-Feed-Control

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12 years 5 months ago #47586 by clkeck1
I just wanted to bump this topic and see if there has been anymore thought put into the reverse step?

I just bought 2 Mitsubishi wire edms from a foreclosure that "need boards". They are a DWC-90HA and a DWC-110SA.

I'm not familiar with the machines or controls and they weren't under power when i looked at them. If I can make one out of 2 I will probably run it as is. But if not I want to explore the possibility of retrofitting the control. I have a Mori MV35/40 mill and SL-4 Lathe that i have already converted and run everyday.

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12 years 5 months ago - 12 years 5 months ago #47596 by andypugh

clkeck1 wrote: I just wanted to bump this topic and see if there has been anymore thought put into the reverse step?


I don't think the people who know enough about the motion planner are found on the forum.

You ought to get more information and help if you ask on the developers mailing list. (look at the "community" link at the top)
Last edit: 12 years 5 months ago by andypugh.

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10 years 11 months ago #64702 by toolmaker69
I just saw this thread and am posting even though it is a late bump.

From my experience with wire edm, I don't believe that it is just an issue of backing up. Just backing up would only require keeping an array of the last motions in memory (or a file) and reading it in reverse.

It is also an issue of sensing the spark and moving away from it, creating a new local tool path. Sometimes the wire needs to back up because of a flushing problem and would short if returning along exactly the same path. Of course then the power also needs to be reduced to prevent overburning. It's sort-of-like adaptive control, but with intelligence based on burning. It also needs to make decisions if it "sees" it has moved more than a minimum distance with the spark reduced, which could mean a sliver has shorted the wire and it hasn't cut for a while.

Other times material can spring or a slug can twist at the end of a cut and the wire needs to back up. But if it repeats the same path, again it can ruin the part.

I'll look around here a little more on the subject, but meanwhile it seems to me that you'll definitely need a PLC to handle the spark control with IO lines between the PLC(PMC) and CNC portions. Some PLC memory would also needed to hold the local tool path in order for the adaptive path to be acted upon and sent back to the CNC.

4 axis wire would not be so difficult, but to implement 2 axis with angle and wire offset simultaneously would also need PLC intervention, I think.

If I were to start the project, I would see if I could pick up an old wire edm where the iron and wire adaptive feedback electronics wire still good. Then I would hook up the axis motors, get the wire mechanism controllable, and then work on interfacing linuxcnc and the feedback box. This assumes that the feedback box is separate or can be addressed without affecting any other electronics in the unit.

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10 years 11 months ago #64705 by andypugh

toolmaker69 wrote: I'll look around here a little more on the subject, but meanwhile it seems to me that you'll definitely need a PLC to handle the spark control with IO lines between the PLC(PMC) and CNC portions. Some PLC memory would also needed to hold the local tool path in order for the adaptive path to be acted upon and sent back to the CNC.


Since this thread was last active there has been a significant development:
git.linuxcnc.org/gitweb?p=linuxcnc.git;a...ture/reverse-run-2.7


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