Retrofit Leadwell MCV 600XL

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6 years 8 months ago #157346 by danilom
Replied by danilom on topic Retrofit Leadwell MCV 600XL
Switching to torque mode, it seems much smoother. Will post my results soon

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6 years 8 months ago #157653 by danilom
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To my surprise these servos are easier to tune in torque mode. What I am missing still is that I cant quite get out the start and stop overshot , its not much 0.02mm at any reasonable feedrate, but its pretty violent , acceleration is set to 800mm/s
Also there is still present some sort of oscillation , and Z tends to oscillate while going down, its P is lowest like 15 and XY is 60, I was set to 1500 for all axis. FF1 and FF2 have strange effects never seen as in velocity tuning :)
Thats it for now

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6 years 8 months ago - 6 years 8 months ago #157761 by Todd Zuercher
I don't think you'll ever be completely rid of overshoot using torque mode with a single PID loop. All you can do is minimize it. You didn't mention D, it will be nessisary to use some D in torque tuning. I've also found that setting a limit for I can also be helpful, especially when very large I values are needed.

Yes FF1 and FF2 do behave very differently with a torque command.

I've had the best luck running two nested PIDs on my torque mode servos. Position command to first loop, that sends a velocity command to a second PID loop that then creates the torque command that goes to the drive. Tuning the position loop then behaves and tunes like an ordinary velocity command servo system.
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6 years 8 months ago - 6 years 8 months ago #157784 by danilom
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Yes there is some D but in comparison to P and I its a small value around 0.6 , above 1 and it begins to vibrate at 2 its veri violent so I settled at 0.6.
I dont mind the overshoot but would like to soften the response somehow, might be its because the machine is on box ways and has lots of stick .

For now I will leave it as is , after I finish the ATC and other stuff I may get another round of tuning


This is the best I managed for X but its not same obviously in the middle of travel its like this but it a bit worse on start and end where the ways are tighter

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6 years 8 months ago #158414 by danilom
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First blood today :)

successful toolchange , still without spindle orient until I mount the new encoder


And this was the test piece, some adaptive milling in aluminium. Machine is behaving very smooth

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