New rotary modulo axis feedback and testers wanted

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6 months 20 hours ago #346074 by grandixximo
Drafted a new PR, this basically does the G10 for you automatically instead of spinning too many times, maybe this is better for real use cases without actually having to change gcode/post, rotary modulo is orthogonal to the need I'm seeing here, don't worry about the failures the building bot is temporarily broken cause of Ubuntu snap store is down.

github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/pull/3990

I think rotary module is an improvement over wrapped rotary, but if post changes are a no no, then interpretation has to change, although a smaller change, the interpretation inconsistency might get caught in some edge case. I try to catch all I could think of in the PR.

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6 months 19 hours ago - 6 months 19 hours ago #346076 by hmnijp

As the originator of this request, I've left my feedback in detail elsewhere, but let me summarize my request for this thread: After an hour or more of spiral carving with Fusion's linuxcnc postprocessor, I end up around A556200 (for example), then Fusion does G0 A0 to "reset" the rotary for the next op.  That takes many minutes of high speed spinning, and is totally unneeded.  I would like to skip this massive unwind.  This is a common complaint online, and the usual response is to use G10 to change the WCS offset before the G0 A0 but that has its own drawbacks.  Doing something similar in the G0 itself would be much more consistent across the machine's operation.  Yes, WRAPPED_ROTARY, but there are times when you don't want to use that.
 
 
Don't expect the standard LinuxCNC postprocessor in Fusion360 to be 100% compatible. It was created by people unfamiliar with LinuxCNC and who don't respond to error reports—this is a common problem with some basic HSM posts. This is especially true for the LinuxCNC post for turning—it's completely unusable without modification. 

To work with the WRAPPED_ROTARY function, the post needs to be modified so that the A-axis output is in the range 0-360 and the sign indicates the direction of rotation.
If you can't do this yourself, I can help with instructions later.

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What I want to hear: does this behavior fit how your CAM emits G-code, would M26 default plus plain absolute output Just Work for you or would you need M27 sections, are there kinematic configs (coupled 5-axis TCP, gantry rotary, weird mappings) where you think this would behave badly, and do you have test G-code you would like me to run through it before merge.


Most CAM systems support any logic, but this needs to be configured in the post. This isn't done by default.
In any CAM, the postprocessor requires settings specific to the specific system. The fact that some users experienced problems with the rotary axis returning to 0 only means they didn't configure this setting and were using the wrong postprocessor. Having done this, there are no problems working with the current logic.

Regarding changes, I think the ideal change would be to simply add the ability for the WRAPPED_ROTARY function to automatically handle values ​​>360 in absolute mode.
However, giving users the option to toggle is also a good option.

But I don't understand the difference between m27 and the current wrapped rotary mode; as far as I understand, they are identical. Perhaps in this case, adding another INI line isn't necessary; adding wrapped_rotary=2 (type=2) will suffice, which will set the default mode for the rotary axis (m26 or m27).

I also believe that M27 is the primary mode for operation.
Reducing all transitions (in m26) is difficult to debug and lacks the ability to strictly define the direction of transitions >180.
Most 5-axis mechanisms don't have infinite rotation capability, and this is critical for them. Otherwise, additional functions have to be added to the post to separate movements >180 into two separate lines - that's an additional overhead.

Also, incremental mode is not recommended for use in CAM—it's prone to error accumulation during multiple short movements, which is what most programs consist of.
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6 months 16 hours ago #346078 by grandixximo
M27 is wrapped_rotary but allow values ​​>360 , on which modulo 360 is done.

M26 is just shortest path, have to split any rotation >=180

My reasoning to have M26 is default, was because gcode with short segments you can run them with less post processing tricks, I thought. Also other controllers seem to have this as the default.

I did not want to change wrapped_rotary because it's already an option that is in use, rotary_modulo was more descriptive of the functionality, and maybe in future this option could replace/supersede wrapped_rotary, wrapped_rotary=2 could work, but for a first draft and testing purposes I went for rotary_modulo.

I could have M27 as the default behavior, don't think it matters much, it's more about preference.

I understand that for who already has figured out wrapped_rotary then rotary_modulo doesn't add much, and for who does not want to touch the post, neither are viable, but I think if you were to start from scratch, and you were willing to tweak the post, you'd reach for rotary_modulo rather than wrapped_rotary, or I might just have wasted a bit of time, making an option no one wants, it happens...

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6 months 12 hours ago #346079 by Aciera

or I might just have wasted a bit of time, making an option no one wants, it happens...


Sometimes it just takes time for a new feature to land with users. It is usually good practice to follow the implementation in other controls, so your solution is probably fine.

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