Some advices for a noob

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01 Jul 2013 15:11 #36187 by kenran
Hello,
I have a motor (I think multiphase because it has plenty of torque even at low speed)
and its driver

I have the input :
- start
- brake
- CW / CCW
Which are controlled by relays connected to COM

Output:
24V pulses (12 per revolution)

My questions:
- How to use the motor via the driver (I have cards with relay)? Wich module ?
- Is Linuxcnc able to automatically calculate the displacement using the driver output pulses?
- The output pulses are 24V, how to connect them to a LPT input (optocoupler, transistor)

Thank you in advance

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01 Jul 2013 15:31 #36188 by cncbasher
Replied by cncbasher on topic Some advices for a noob
have you details of the driver , link to manual etc

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01 Jul 2013 18:57 #36190 by kenran
Replied by kenran on topic Some advices for a noob
Here the driver manual.
Thank you for your time
Attachments:

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01 Jul 2013 19:20 #36193 by andypugh
Replied by andypugh on topic Some advices for a noob

Here the driver manual.
Thank you for your time


For speed control you probably need a PWM output from LinuxCNC
www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/examples/spindle_fr.html

This circuit can be used to convert the PWM to an analogue voltage for your drive:
tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/cnc/ACPL-P480_opto_sch.png

However that optocoupler:
radiospares-fr.rs-online.com/web/p/optoc...searchTerm=ACPL-P480
Is only rated to 20V. I didn't read the manual carefully enough to work out what the analogue control voltage was.

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01 Jul 2013 19:48 #36194 by kenran
Replied by kenran on topic Some advices for a noob
According to the manual the motor speed can be control by the driver (always the same speed) or by voltage but linearity between voltage and speed (to low voltage = not enough torque = stopped )

Is it really the best way to convert output impulse in voltage ? Is there enough accuracy ? Why not counting the pulse (like a mouse) ?

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01 Jul 2013 22:43 #36198 by PCW
Replied by PCW on topic Some advices for a noob
Speed control (Linuxcnc --> motor) looks to be analog (0 to 5V)
Good PWM --> ANALOG circuits can easily have better than 0.1% linearity
(much better than the drive probably) so this should not be an issue

The SPD output pulse is open collector, so can interface directly with a parallel port, by using a pullup resistor to 5V but you may want isolation between your PC and the drive so a breakout board may be advisable.
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02 Jul 2013 00:38 #36205 by kenran
Replied by kenran on topic Some advices for a noob
Ok for the input i can use an pwm -> analog converter like below ?
wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?action...tal/Analog_Interface

For the SP output which module / configuration may i use ? The motor speed is below 50 tr/min

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02 Jul 2013 04:11 #36214 by andypugh
Replied by andypugh on topic Some advices for a noob

Ok for the input i can use an pwm -> analog converter like below ?
wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?action...tal/Analog_Interface


The one I posted a link to works better.

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02 Jul 2013 04:41 #36219 by PCW
Replied by PCW on topic Some advices for a noob
The pulse can be counted with linuxCNCs encoder component,

Note that since the SP output is just a single pulse (not quadrature),
it cannot be used for accurate position information if the gearmotor reverses
as it may possibly gain/lose counts at reversals

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02 Jul 2013 21:49 #36237 by kenran
Replied by kenran on topic Some advices for a noob
Ok i've done Andy's PWM to analog interface but i don't get how to connect signals.
I want to move axis X using LPT and PWMGEN


Here my files :

# INI
[EMC]
MACHINE = chariot
DEBUG = 0

[DISPLAY]
DISPLAY = axis
EDITOR = gedit
POSITION_OFFSET = RELATIVE
POSITION_FEEDBACK = ACTUAL
MAX_FEED_OVERRIDE = 1.2
INTRO_GRAPHIC = linuxcnc.gif
INTRO_TIME = 5
PROGRAM_PREFIX = /home/tereo/linuxcnc/nc_files
INCREMENTS = 5mm 1mm .5mm .1mm .05mm .01mm .005mm

[FILTER]
PROGRAM_EXTENSION = .png,.gif,.jpg Greyscale Depth Image
PROGRAM_EXTENSION = .py Python Script
png = image-to-gcode
gif = image-to-gcode
jpg = image-to-gcode
py = python

[TASK]
TASK = milltask
CYCLE_TIME = 0.010

[RS274NGC]
PARAMETER_FILE = chariot.var

[EMCMOT]
EMCMOT = motmod
COMM_TIMEOUT = 1.0
COMM_WAIT = 0.010
BASE_PERIOD = 50000
SERVO_PERIOD = 50000

[HAL]
HALFILE = chariot.hal
POSTGUI_HALFILE = custom_postgui.hal

[TRAJ]
AXES = 1
COORDINATES = X
LINEAR_UNITS = mm
ANGULAR_UNITS = degree
CYCLE_TIME = 0.010
DEFAULT_VELOCITY = 0.10
MAX_LINEAR_VELOCITY = 1.00

[EMCIO]
EMCIO = io
CYCLE_TIME = 0.100
TOOL_TABLE = tool.tbl

[AXIS_0]
TYPE = LINEAR
HOME = 0.0
MAX_VELOCITY = 100.0
MAX_ACCELERATION = 30.0
STEPGEN_MAXACCEL = 30.0
SCALE = 1.8
FERROR = 1.0
MIN_FERROR = .25
MIN_LIMIT = -0.001
MAX_LIMIT = 500.0
HOME_OFFSET = 0.0

and HAL file :

loadrt threads

# load parport driver
loadrt hal_parport cfg="0x378"

# connect parport to threads
# read input first
here i don't have servo_thread or base_thread only thread1
addf parport.0.read thread1 1

# write output last
addf parport.0.write thread1 -1

# connect physical pins to the signals
net Xstep => parport.0.pin-03-out
net Xdir => parport.0.pin-02-out

# create a signal for the estop loopback
#net estop-loop iocontrol.0.user-enable-out iocontrol.0.emc-enable-in



# i have a pwm and a dir
loadrt pwmgen output_type=1
addf pwmgen.update thread1
addf pwmgen.make-pulses thread1

here how i connect pwmgen.0.value ,and pwmgen.0.pwm to parport.0.pin-09.out ?

setp pwmgen.0.pwm-freq 500.0

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