New and Working RTAI debs for 2.9

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2 years 3 months ago #305104 by NTULINUX
Thanks Mecanix for helping us test. The 5.4.279 kernel shouldn't cause any regressions as it's all just backported fixes, and the respective LinuxCNC package for it restored some files I shouldn't have deleted in the earlier Debian package, so if anything it should be better and not worse, and this is a run-on-sentence.
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2 years 3 months ago #305356 by Mecanix

 if anything it should be better and not worse, and this is a run-on-sentence.
Hi NTULINUX. I have no doubt in that statement, doubting my knowledge/skillset is in upgrading linux systems rather. Mind you I was able to use the 5.4.279 release full featured. Only bug was a new timeout error on starting, and ofc not being able to restart lcnc if closed - a full system reboot was required. 

To begin with I have no idea how to clean a previous RTAI installation (if required?), or whether it's okay to simply "upgrade over" which is what I've done.

Additionally (less inspiring!). I've completed a clean Debian 12 install on my newly acquired Dell Optiplex. All updated, all drivers functional, no errors, everything's happy. Then proceeded to installing the RTAI 5.4.279 debs (module, headers, image, then lcnc), to have nothing showing up when starting linuxcnc. It reports that module is not loaded, although re-installed the deb twice now :(

Not entirely sure what I've done to RTAI to deserve all that, we used to be good friends!!

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2 years 3 months ago - 2 years 3 months ago #305359 by Mecanix
@NTULINUX. Note that I am not stranded in any way. I have a fully functional and production-ready RTAI kit (5.4.258, lcnc 2.9.2). Couldn't be happier about it and so kudos to the work that went into this!

You know what we're missing though? A tutorial on "How to compile a RTAI Kernel, module and Lcnc". Just so that workload could be offloaded off you, Bari, Andi, and friends. Personally I'd be willing to give that a trial with e.g. the newly released 2.9.3 or perhaps even 2.10.xxx as tests.

Prolly beyond most-of-us skills though, let us know what you think about this idea.
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2 years 3 months ago #305383 by Bari
Lots of work to get it done correctly. Look at the challenge many people face just trying to install the debs.

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2 years 3 months ago #305401 by rodw

Lots of work to get it done correctly. Look at the challenge many people face just trying to install the debs.
I have mentioned on the mailing list that because RTAI Debs exist, it would be quite easy to build a RTAI ISO  by forking our live installer.
Its not that much harder to get the installer build process to compile the debs

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2 years 3 months ago #305460 by Cant do this anymore bye all
Compiling the kernel is easy, where the skill comes in is getting the config correct.
And be thankful it's not the 90's and you're not having to do it on a 486 with 16MB ram.

Joking aside, it's probably best to have one set of debs for the kernel from a known source. Debugging is going to be, I'd like to say easier, rather than having user built kernels that maybe a little different, due to a change in config. Or how gcc's mood was on that day.

After coming from Slackware in the last 4 or so years to debian\ubuntu and going thru "RPM Hell" back in Ye Olden Days, installing packages via debs is pure bliss. I don't want to think about how long it took to install gitlab on a Slackware 14.2 server, just about every dependency had to be compiled. On Ubuntu its a one liner.

Just a suggestion Rod, pin grub so it doesn't get updated. Because somewhere some how it will make someone cry when they go to update it on a UEFI system with an RTAI kernel.
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