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Building a 3-axis plasma table with mesa 7i96s, THCad-2 and nema23 steppers
1 year 7 months ago #325038
by Daan96
Replied by Daan96 on topic Building a 4-axis plasma table
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1 year 4 months ago - 1 year 4 months ago #330859
by Daan96
Replied by Daan96 on topic Building a 4-axis plasma table
In the meantime, I’ve slowly started building the prototype.
I’ve decided to go with LinuxCNC in combination with the Mesa 7i96s and the THCAD-2.
All parts were initially 3D printed in ASA-CF.
In practice, it will have to be determined whether this material is strong and rigid enough.
If not, the parts will be replaced. For now, I want to test the concept first.
The axes are driven by 3Nm Nema 23 stepper motors and an HTD-5M timing belt with a 15-tooth pulley, without any gear reduction.
The frame will be made of stainless steel square tubing, 50x50x3 mm.
I’ve just started working on that.
Any tips or feedback are very welcome! I'm here to learn
I’ve decided to go with LinuxCNC in combination with the Mesa 7i96s and the THCAD-2.
All parts were initially 3D printed in ASA-CF.
In practice, it will have to be determined whether this material is strong and rigid enough.
If not, the parts will be replaced. For now, I want to test the concept first.
The axes are driven by 3Nm Nema 23 stepper motors and an HTD-5M timing belt with a 15-tooth pulley, without any gear reduction.
The frame will be made of stainless steel square tubing, 50x50x3 mm.
I’ve just started working on that.
Any tips or feedback are very welcome! I'm here to learn
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1 year 4 months ago #330864
by tommylight
Normally for plasma we aim at 20-25mm per motor revolution, and this does require reduction from 1:3 to 1:5 depending on final drive pulley.
Replied by tommylight on topic Building a 4-axis plasma table
That will do 75mm of motion for a single rotation of the motor, and will have plenty of vibrations, but since you already have that set, do give it a try.The axes are driven by 3Nm Nema 23 stepper motors and an HTD-5M timing belt with a 15-tooth pulley, without any gear reduction.
Normally for plasma we aim at 20-25mm per motor revolution, and this does require reduction from 1:3 to 1:5 depending on final drive pulley.
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1 year 4 months ago #330880
by jimmyrig
Replied by jimmyrig on topic Building a 4-axis plasma table
Agreed on the gear reduction or machining a smaller pulley. I think they make htd in 3mm pitch so you can reduce pulley size.
The goal with plasma is to accelerate as fast as possible to the desired cutting speed to minimize slag...... That's basically the entire goal..... The less time you are in-between stopping and cut speed the less slag you will have. So keep all motion components as light and strong as possible. That 80/20 t slot extrusion is heavy and weak (for the weight), use square tube instead.
Also 3d printed parts are fine for a prototype/hobby machine but you are building a machine that shoots sparks everywhere and makes things very hot. Plan for machining the parts out of AL if you want to use it in an industrial environment.
Hope that helps
The goal with plasma is to accelerate as fast as possible to the desired cutting speed to minimize slag...... That's basically the entire goal..... The less time you are in-between stopping and cut speed the less slag you will have. So keep all motion components as light and strong as possible. That 80/20 t slot extrusion is heavy and weak (for the weight), use square tube instead.
Also 3d printed parts are fine for a prototype/hobby machine but you are building a machine that shoots sparks everywhere and makes things very hot. Plan for machining the parts out of AL if you want to use it in an industrial environment.
Hope that helps
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1 year 4 months ago - 1 year 4 months ago #330881
by Daan96
Replied by Daan96 on topic Building a 3-axis plasma table with mesa 7i96s, THCad-2 and nema23 steppers
Thanks, well spotted! I was hoping that 1/3200 microstepping would work.
Perhaps I will have to do a 1/3 reduction later. For now I think I'll try how this works.
The goal is to get linuxcnc up and running first and try to configure everything properly
The point of the 80x40 extrusion profile I certainly do not agree with as a mechanical engineer.
The 80/40 extrusion profile has a much higher stiffness compared to a normal tube. Especially compared to an aluminum tube.
For axample:
Aluminium extrusion profile L=1200mm (2.9 kg) vs aluminium 50x50x2 tube L=1200mm (3.6kg)
Comparison of Bending Resistance
ProfileDirection (axis) Section Modulus (W)
80x40 extrusion
Major axis (80 mm high) → bending about X = 8,898,884 mm³
Minor axis (40 mm high) → bending about Y = 120,303 mm³
50x50x2 mm box
Any axis (symmetric) → c = 25 mm X and Y = 5,912 mm³
Key Differences:
In the x-axis, the 80x40 profile has ~1500× higher section modulus (1500x stronger!) and is 20% less heavy than the 50x50x2 box.
In the y-axis, it still has ~20× higher section modulus (20x stronger!).
Perhaps I will have to do a 1/3 reduction later. For now I think I'll try how this works.
The goal is to get linuxcnc up and running first and try to configure everything properly
The point of the 80x40 extrusion profile I certainly do not agree with as a mechanical engineer.
The 80/40 extrusion profile has a much higher stiffness compared to a normal tube. Especially compared to an aluminum tube.
For axample:
Aluminium extrusion profile L=1200mm (2.9 kg) vs aluminium 50x50x2 tube L=1200mm (3.6kg)
Comparison of Bending Resistance
ProfileDirection (axis) Section Modulus (W)
80x40 extrusion
Major axis (80 mm high) → bending about X = 8,898,884 mm³
Minor axis (40 mm high) → bending about Y = 120,303 mm³
50x50x2 mm box
Any axis (symmetric) → c = 25 mm X and Y = 5,912 mm³
Key Differences:
In the x-axis, the 80x40 profile has ~1500× higher section modulus (1500x stronger!) and is 20% less heavy than the 50x50x2 box.
In the y-axis, it still has ~20× higher section modulus (20x stronger!).
Last edit: 1 year 4 months ago by Daan96.
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1 year 4 months ago - 1 year 4 months ago #330885
by Aciera
I must say that the weight comparison seems very counter intuitive.
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you are comparing aluminium extrusion profile to 50x50x2 steel tubing (8000kg/m3).
Replied by Aciera on topic Building a 3-axis plasma table with mesa 7i96s, THCad-2 and nema23 steppers
For axample:
Aluminium extrusion profile L=1200mm (2.9 kg) vs aluminium 50x50x2 tube L=1200mm (3.6kg)
I must say that the weight comparison seems very counter intuitive.
[edit]
you are comparing aluminium extrusion profile to 50x50x2 steel tubing (8000kg/m3).
Last edit: 1 year 4 months ago by Aciera.
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