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30 Oct 2012 01:37 - 30 Oct 2012 01:39 #26004
by jlviloria
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here are testing:
7000mm/min
450mm distance.
P = 5
other zero.
any suggestions.
When I move the machine faster (8000mm/min), I get the drive alarm.
Note: the scale error is 100m/div
thanks
7000mm/min
450mm distance.
P = 5
other zero.
any suggestions.
When I move the machine faster (8000mm/min), I get the drive alarm.
Note: the scale error is 100m/div
thanks
Last edit: 30 Oct 2012 01:39 by jlviloria.
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30 Oct 2012 02:30 #26008
by PCW
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As mentioned before, the next step is to tune FF1
You notice the ferror follows the velocity, this means not enough FF1
You should be able to keep adding FF1 until the error is nearly flat
(with too much FF1, the error will go in the opposite direction as the velocity)
However, You may have drive problems/ or at least require drive tuning
if you get errors going faster and if lowering the P term does not make these go away, you may need to tune the drive itself (and I see some oscillation and the end of the velocity ramp-up which may in fact be a drive tuning issue).
You notice the ferror follows the velocity, this means not enough FF1
You should be able to keep adding FF1 until the error is nearly flat
(with too much FF1, the error will go in the opposite direction as the velocity)
However, You may have drive problems/ or at least require drive tuning
if you get errors going faster and if lowering the P term does not make these go away, you may need to tune the drive itself (and I see some oscillation and the end of the velocity ramp-up which may in fact be a drive tuning issue).
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30 Oct 2012 02:58 #26011
by jlviloria
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Thanks Peter for your attention
Look at this new image
this is more or less what it should be?
one silly question, of how serious the error in this case?
thanks
Look at this new image
this is more or less what it should be?
one silly question, of how serious the error in this case?
thanks
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30 Oct 2012 04:06 #26018
by PCW
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can you do the same plot at P = 1?
also you can see the you need a little bit more FF1
(since ignoring the oscillation, the following error is in the same direction as the velocity - not flat)
also you can see the you need a little bit more FF1
(since ignoring the oscillation, the following error is in the same direction as the velocity - not flat)
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30 Oct 2012 04:49 #26022
by jlviloria
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peter,
just change the P to 1.
I have lost again FF1.
drive unit think this right or missing something?
0 to 200mm
7000mm/min
thanks
just change the P to 1.
I have lost again FF1.
drive unit think this right or missing something?
0 to 200mm
7000mm/min
thanks
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30 Oct 2012 04:56 - 30 Oct 2012 04:57 #26023
by PCW
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You have not lost FF1, it just shows up better when P is lower
The lower the P the more the the FF1 error will show up
so now adjust FF1 for flattest ferror trace
(ignore the "spikey" errors for now)
Note that the changes in FF1 should be very small at this point say .01 at a time
The lower the P the more the the FF1 error will show up
so now adjust FF1 for flattest ferror trace
(ignore the "spikey" errors for now)
Note that the changes in FF1 should be very small at this point say .01 at a time
Last edit: 30 Oct 2012 04:57 by PCW. Reason: ommision
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30 Oct 2012 05:23 #26025
by jlviloria
Replied by jlviloria on topic some good advice (pid)
Peter I think now I understand.
this is data.
300mm distance
7000 mm / min
this is data.
300mm distance
7000 mm / min
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30 Oct 2012 05:42 #26026
by PCW
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Good so now FF1 is done, next: P
P of 5 seemed to be on the edge of oscillation so maybe try 3 or 4
P of 5 seemed to be on the edge of oscillation so maybe try 3 or 4
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30 Oct 2012 05:53 - 30 Oct 2012 06:08 #26028
by jlviloria
Replied by jlviloria on topic some good advice (pid)
peter,
these are the results.
the same values:
300mm distance
7000mm/min
FF1 goes away, I have to put in 50m/div to read.
that's okay?
these are the results.
the same values:
300mm distance
7000mm/min
FF1 goes away, I have to put in 50m/div to read.
that's okay?
Last edit: 30 Oct 2012 06:08 by jlviloria.
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30 Oct 2012 06:00 #26029
by PCW
Replied by PCW on topic some good advice (pid)
No, something is wrong if FF1 is not independent of P
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