Rigid Tapping

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12 Feb 2012 06:38 #17621 by waynegramlich
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Good. I was hoping that I could get by with the 64 CPR encoder.

While I do not know what the upper bound on tapping spindle speed is, I doubt very much that it is any where near 5000 RPM. So, it looks like I can get by with a dumb parallel port for starters.

Thanks!

-Wayne

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12 Feb 2012 06:48 #17623 by waynegramlich
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jmelson wrote:

waynegramlich wrote:

Greetings:

I am planning on adding rigid taping to my mill.
-Wayne

Oh, one other area that you need to be concerned about. The Z axis needs to
be able to follow the spindle speed changes. So, either the spindle reversals
need to be moderated or the Z axis needs to have very quick acceleration.
I had to put a filter into the spindle speed commands to slow down the reversal
so the Z axis could keep up.

If you have a stepper axis setup, then it is a bit hard to know if there are
any velocity lags in your stepper drivers. So, it is just a little hard to know
exactly how well the axes are following the commands to sync to the
spindle.

Jon


I do have a stepper axis setup. I will dig around in my configuration file tomorrow morning and see what the Z axis acceleration is set to. It looks like I'll have to see how fast my spindle changes speed and try to do the math.

Does anybody know if there is a recommended speed for tapping aluminum for various common diameters and thread pitches -- 4-40, 6-32, 10-32, etc? I suspect that aluminum tapping speeds are faster than most.

Thanks for the insight and info,

-Wayne

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12 Feb 2012 12:14 #17628 by BigJohnT
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I keep my speeds down on my mill to avoid overshoot on spindle reversal. On smallish taps 300-400 rpm max (for my biggish 7.5hp servo spindle) on both my lathe and mill. I assume you can go much faster. The big key is to use quality taps of the right shape.

Through Hole = Spiral Point Tap
Blind Hole = Spiral Flute Tap

I love the elektraLUBE coating on the OSG taps I get from MSC. For smaller holes like 4-40 thread forming taps shine with no chips to fill the hole or to clean out. I rarely rigid tap below 1/4-20 on my machines but if I did I would go with thread forming taps for smallish holes.

On my lathe I have a ngcgui subroutine for rigid tapping and just fill in the blanks and hit go...

John

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15 Feb 2012 06:48 #17676 by jmelson
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waynegramlich wrote:

Does anybody know if there is a recommended speed for tapping aluminum for various common diameters and thread pitches -- 4-40, 6-32, 10-32, etc? I suspect that aluminum tapping speeds are faster than most.



-Wayne[/quote]
I answered this before but pushed the wrong button and lost the message.
I do 2-56 up to 6-32 holes in aluminum alloy at 1000 RPM, and 10-32 at
600 RPM. I use spiral flute taps for thin material, and spiral point for
deeper holes. Note that the manufacturer specifies something like
3X hole diameter for the safe depth for the spiral FLUTE taps. I think
you can go a bit deeper, but the flutes eventually clog if you go too
deep. I use combo drill-taps a lot, so I effectively spot, drill through and
tap with one tool. I have a program that takes in a file of XY coordinates
and generates the G-code for that operation.

I use alum-tap as the tapping fluid of choice, it works amazingly well for
tapping aluminum. I often get thousands of holes in sheet aluminum
out of one tap.

Jon

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16 Feb 2012 06:03 #17706 by waynegramlich
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jmelson wrote:

waynegramlich wrote:

Does anybody know if there is a recommended speed for tapping aluminum for various common diameters and thread pitches -- 4-40, 6-32, 10-32, etc? I suspect that aluminum tapping speeds are faster than most.



-Wayne

I answered this before but pushed the wrong button and lost the message.
I do 2-56 up to 6-32 holes in aluminum alloy at 1000 RPM, and 10-32 at
600 RPM. I use spiral flute taps for thin material, and spiral point for
deeper holes. Note that the manufacturer specifies something like
3X hole diameter for the safe depth for the spiral FLUTE taps. I think
you can go a bit deeper, but the flutes eventually clog if you go too
deep. I use combo drill-taps a lot, so I effectively spot, drill through and
tap with one tool. I have a program that takes in a file of XY coordinates
and generates the G-code for that operation.

I use alum-tap as the tapping fluid of choice, it works amazingly well for
tapping aluminum. I often get thousands of holes in sheet aluminum
out of one tap.

Jon[/quote]

Jon:

Thanks for the great info. That is exactly the kind of information I needed.

Again, thanks,
-Wayne

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