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09 Jul 2025 15:06 #331578
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The driver for the Mesa PCI\PCIe cards are loaded during the startup of Linuxcnc.
Linux has no issues loading kernel modules for supported hardware that are added after installation, if this was not the case live versions of Linux wouldn't work, installers for Linux would fall over.
If you have ever read the output of dmesg you would see very clearly that the kernel detects the installed hardware and loads the kernel modules as required, or the hardware may have support compiled into the kernel. With the caveat that the kernel "knows about the hardware". There is absolutely no need for the hardware to be present during installation. For hardware that is "hot swappable" the hardware is not required to be attached/inserted/present during boot, it is detected when inserted, and no this is not limited to just USB devices.
I'm quite astonished at the amount of information you post that is wrong. This is quite a distressing matter as one day someone will take your advice as true and have a very bad experience. You really need to reassess your level of knowledge and take some time out and sit back and learn.
When you are not being wrong you are not addressing the subject matter and being unhelpful.
As I've suggested before read a book and learn.
Linux has no issues loading kernel modules for supported hardware that are added after installation, if this was not the case live versions of Linux wouldn't work, installers for Linux would fall over.
If you have ever read the output of dmesg you would see very clearly that the kernel detects the installed hardware and loads the kernel modules as required, or the hardware may have support compiled into the kernel. With the caveat that the kernel "knows about the hardware". There is absolutely no need for the hardware to be present during installation. For hardware that is "hot swappable" the hardware is not required to be attached/inserted/present during boot, it is detected when inserted, and no this is not limited to just USB devices.
I'm quite astonished at the amount of information you post that is wrong. This is quite a distressing matter as one day someone will take your advice as true and have a very bad experience. You really need to reassess your level of knowledge and take some time out and sit back and learn.
When you are not being wrong you are not addressing the subject matter and being unhelpful.
As I've suggested before read a book and learn.
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09 Jul 2025 17:10 #331586
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Ah... back before plug n' play USB.
Cool, I had no reason Linux worked like that.
That means if a PC running Linux happens to break, you can just take out the HDD and plug it into another PC and it will work no fuss, no muss.
(I did exactly that when the PC I was using for LinuxCNC did not turn on one day for some reason, but the replacement PC was the same model)
Cool, I had no reason Linux worked like that.
That means if a PC running Linux happens to break, you can just take out the HDD and plug it into another PC and it will work no fuss, no muss.
(I did exactly that when the PC I was using for LinuxCNC did not turn on one day for some reason, but the replacement PC was the same model)
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09 Jul 2025 19:25 #331590
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That is very hard to explain to "PC experts" who used windows only as that never worked, till win10 had that haphazardly implemented and intermittently working about 5% of the time.
"""ntldr not found"""
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Yes, for the last 20 odd years Linux could do that, even through external USB cases and/or CD/DVD rom's.That means if a PC running Linux happens to break, you can just take out the HDD and plug it into another PC and it will work no fuss, no muss.
That is very hard to explain to "PC experts" who used windows only as that never worked, till win10 had that haphazardly implemented and intermittently working about 5% of the time.
"""ntldr not found"""

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09 Jul 2025 22:24 #331600
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And you can build a Linux system entirely from source, if you are into that kind of shenanigans.
Boot from a tftp server and run the OS entirely from ram. Or boot from a tftp server and mount the rootfs from a third machine.
A lot of home routers/access points/modems run Linux.
Running a Linux desktop is quite boring and mundane when one realises what Linux is capable of, and what a user can do with it once they read & experiment.
Boot from a tftp server and run the OS entirely from ram. Or boot from a tftp server and mount the rootfs from a third machine.
A lot of home routers/access points/modems run Linux.
Running a Linux desktop is quite boring and mundane when one realises what Linux is capable of, and what a user can do with it once they read & experiment.
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09 Jul 2025 22:26 #331601
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What about BSD, the forgotten OS?
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09 Jul 2025 22:33 #331602
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Also, if Linux fails to start for some reason, you can open a terminal, even if you can't start a GUI.
However, with Windows, there's just a useless loading screen, and there's not even any way to tell if Windows is booting up or if the PC is just frozen anymore.
If it freezes, you don't even get to see any error info, you don't have a handy CLI as a fallback.
Then you have to reboot, and somehow press F8(if it happens to work on your specific PC) in the microsecond period and boot into "safe mode", and ughhhhh.....
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Linux generally shows info during boot-up, which is useful in-case something goes wrong.
That means if a PC running Linux happens to break, you can just take out the HDD and plug it into another PC and it will work no fuss, no muss.
Yes, for the last 20 odd years Linux could do that, even through external USB cases and/or CD/DVD rom's.
That is very hard to explain to "PC experts" who used windows only as that never worked, till win10 had that haphazardly implemented and intermittently working about 5% of the time.
"""ntldr not found"""
Also, if Linux fails to start for some reason, you can open a terminal, even if you can't start a GUI.
However, with Windows, there's just a useless loading screen, and there's not even any way to tell if Windows is booting up or if the PC is just frozen anymore.
If it freezes, you don't even get to see any error info, you don't have a handy CLI as a fallback.
Then you have to reboot, and somehow press F8(if it happens to work on your specific PC) in the microsecond period and boot into "safe mode", and ughhhhh.....
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10 Jul 2025 00:42 #331604
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BSD isn't forgotten, I've run it for years on a router/firewall.
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10 Jul 2025 00:44 #331605
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And used it's desktop versions for over 2 years, probably 20 years back.
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+1BSD isn't forgotten, I've run it for years on a router/firewall.
And used it's desktop versions for over 2 years, probably 20 years back.
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