mesa hardware for mill retrofit

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16 Oct 2023 00:02 #283102 by vre
Hello.
What mesa hardware can use for retrofit a mill(heindehain tnc355 controller/ year 1992)
that has 2 bosch servo drives SM 17/35-TA and 1 bosch servo drive SM 10/20-TA.
Thank you.

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20 Oct 2023 22:04 #283390 by tommylight
More info, please.
Do those drives take analog +-10V or can do step/dir, or maybe PWM?
If you want to cover ALMOST any of those, Mesa 7i96S with 7i85 and 7i83 are a nice start and can be found easily. This does "out of the box" step/dir and analog and PWM, included encoder inputs can be used also for both types of control. For PWM might need firmware to send the signals to screw terminals, for 26 pin header most probably does not need firmware.

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07 Jan 2024 23:59 - 08 Jan 2024 11:17 #290165 by vre
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Hello.
Servo drives have -10v +10v differential analog input without feedback by encoder(servomotors have only tacho not encoder).
The controller is heidenhain tnc 355 and the
linear encoders feedback goes directly to controller.
X1/X2/X3 shown in photo are encoder signals.What are these signals ? 1Vpp ?
Linear scales are heidenhain LS 703C
How can read these encoders with linuxcnc?
Also how can config this type of pid
with speed +-10v analog speed control to drives and encoder position feedback to linuxcnc?
Reading tacho can help somewhere?
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08 Jan 2024 14:11 #290216 by PCW
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If the  machine does not have separate boxes to convert the
1V PP sine/cosine to quadrature, you would need to obtain these. 
These are called interpolators or "EXE" boxes and often available
on Ebay for reasonable prices (search for "Heidenhain exe")
 

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08 Jan 2024 15:19 #290222 by tommylight

Servo drives have -10v +10v differential analog input without feedback by encoder(servomotors have only tacho not encoder).

Those are "velocity mode" drives, so can be used with Mesa 7i97, or 5i25/7i77, or 6i25/7i77, or 7i92/7i77, or even with 7i96S/7i83/7i85
The last combo can be easily found, the rest not so easy to find.

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08 Jan 2024 22:42 - 08 Jan 2024 23:02 #290242 by vre
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I have mesa 7i80hd / 7i33ta / 7i37ta.
linear scales are 1μApp type LS 703C
product.heidenhain.de/JPBC/image/HWP.EN/...029-93_ls_703(c).pdf

I have no exe boxes but i have the original le 355 b controller.
Is possible to steal quadrature signals from inside of controller?
I have seen a thread here that someone with similar controller tnc 155 stolen quadrature
signals from inside controller as described here
www.machineability.com/Bridgeport_series_II.html

I have attached mine controller photos..
where is possible to find these signals?
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09 Jan 2024 20:36 #290300 by vre
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I have got 3x heidenhain EXE 702 B with 25x interpolation.

For pid tuning analog -10+10V speed mode servo and feedback directly to linuxcnc
from heidenhain exe what needs FF1 & P ?

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09 Jan 2024 21:28 #290302 by besriworld

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22 Jan 2024 00:07 #291293 by vre
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The mill has 2 different spindles iso40 taper that share the same inverter.
Selection is done by relay at the output of the inverter.
1 spindle mounted on z axis and 2 spindle mounted on y axis like the mill shown in the video
youtube.com/watch?v=9Qa6oTOpj_I

How can model these 2 spindles in linuxcnc?

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22 Jan 2024 02:03 #291299 by spumco


How can model these 2 spindles in linuxcnc?
 


LCNC supports multiple spindles, but you may not need to set up LCNC like that as I suspect your machine isn't intended to run both spindles at once.

Does your machine have some sort of electrical interlock to switch between the two spindles now?  Is there a limit switch or other sensor to determine to which spindle the output relay should be connected?  If not, what determines the relay position now?

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