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06 Jun 2025 23:04 #329843 by PCW
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The issue here is that the relays are switching a 120VAC solenoid.

Because the solenoid is an inductive load, this will cause massive EMI unless
there is contact arc suppression across the relay contacts. This can be done
with a bipolar TVS diode, a MOV or an RC arc suppressor.

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06 Jun 2025 23:10 #329844 by unknown
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Some do some don't, you'll need to check the data sheets.
The role of the diode is to protect the driving circuit from the reverse voltage generated from the collapse of the magnetic coil. No flyback will eventually cause component failure, a far bigger issue than EMI.
I'd take PCW's advice.
Another thing I would look at is the routing of your wiring and ensuring physical seperation of control and AC, if you haven't already taken care of this issue.
If you do use optos make sure that the input side and output side are powered by seperate PSUs and the ground are not connected, it aggravates me when I see opto circuits with the input and output sides connected to a common ground.
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06 Jun 2025 23:29 #329848 by tommylight
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A really big relay should not need arc suppression.

Please do some research before making such statements, especially after it has been answered by a VERY experienced member of this forum.
And who asked about MosFET's ?

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06 Jun 2025 23:32 #329849 by tommylight
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... it aggravates me when I see opto circuits with the input and output sides connected to a common ground.

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08 Jun 2025 19:51 - 10 Jun 2025 14:39 #329967 by langdons
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08 Jun 2025 22:15 - 09 Jun 2025 15:27 #329978 by langdons
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Also, take advantage of those optoisolators (superfluous though they are) and power the relay board with a totally separate 12V DC supply.

The power supply for the relays does not need to be that powerful.
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09 Jun 2025 03:22 #329989 by unknown
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Using the 12v rail from your PC negates the protection the optos are used for.

I suggest to forget all the BS you've learnt from the Hipster Maker crowd and read & learn by someone that knows his stuff.

This is a good start, written by the guy that designed the TEC-1 sbc back in '83 or '84:
www.talkingelectronics.com/te_interactive_index.html
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09 Jun 2025 15:20 - 10 Jun 2025 14:40 #330023 by langdons
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Removed speculative reply, potentially useful though it may have been.
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09 Jun 2025 19:37 #330041 by unknown
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The function of an optocoupler is to completely isolate one side of a circuit from another. Hence the large no copper regions under the device.
No amount of filtering, hoping nor thinking will provide this if the same supply is used or if 2 different supplied are used and their grounds connected.
Pickup a book, read & learn.
Eventually your mis advice will end with someone with less knowledge and experience than yourself having a bad time.
Those unseen electrons moving around can bite.
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10 Jun 2025 13:45 - 10 Jun 2025 14:42 #330078 by langdons
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If one supply is the only option, you can at least try to make the wires connect far from each other (never daisy-chain).

But 2 supplies is better; 100%.
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