MesaCT problems with 7i96 pwm spindle

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20 May 2025 12:53 #328807 by PCW
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Yeah, sorry, I copied them from a 7I96S halshow and forgot to delete the "s"

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20 May 2025 18:12 #328819 by oddwick
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thanks jt, that was making me go bonkers trying track that one down. found that in one of my other machines configs and it worked!

as for the pwm voltages, i just got through checking everything and i shouldn’t have any load on the pwm at all. the 7i96 is powered with a dedicated 5v 0.55a psu. i adjusted the pot to 5.42v(i dare not go any more) and i get 5.31v between +5 and gnd and at 24k rpm which is max, i get same between gnd and pwm- when i have the cable to the vfd box disconnected. when i connect the cable it drops to 4.86v. is the converter actually pulling a load?  i can get close to 10v if i boost the input voltage to 14v which is within the range of the board, but is that just a hack or will that work?  or is the psu for the mesa board under powered? i saw that in a post that 250ma was enough without any loads. 

     
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20 May 2025 18:41 #328822 by PCW
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250 mA is really marginal...
 

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20 May 2025 18:42 #328823 by tommylight
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the 7i96 is powered with a dedicated 5v 0.55a psu. i adjusted the pot to 5.42v(i dare not go any more)

That is really, really not a good idea, 5V supply should be 5V+-5%, so 4.75V-5.25V.
Maybe Mesa can handle it, but i would not even try that without confirming first.
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20 May 2025 18:55 #328824 by oddwick
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250 mA is really marginal...

so what would you recommend?  am i under powering it? 

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20 May 2025 18:59 #328825 by oddwick
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thanks tom for the words of wisdom as always. i have some new modules coming this afternoon and i will give those a go. ill also dig around and see if i have another 5v din psu floating around. i thought i had a 2a one somewhere here

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20 May 2025 19:01 #328826 by PCW
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Actually, the PWM --> analog circuit normally should not
care what the PWM input signal level is as long as it's enough
to drive the input circuit. That is, it should work identically
with a 4V signal as a 5V signal.

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20 May 2025 19:54 #328828 by oddwick
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that is what i thought. it should just be a proportional voltage coming out, but there must be a small load on it because my pw
voltage drops about 0.5v when i plug it in and tye only way i can get 10v or close is to increase the input voltage to the module to 14v.

these are the new ones i have coming.
a.co/d/5rSxmMy
which is similar to tye board i have now.

i could just use rs485 to control the spindle, but this is a big machine and at least for now i use the same computer to control 3 machines and i dont want to have 2 cables running across the floor. i trip over one often enough, so i need to try and get this pwm running

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20 May 2025 19:58 #328829 by PCW
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Does that potentiometer on the PWM --> Analog module adjust the scale?

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20 May 2025 20:39 #328831 by oddwick
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it does adjust the output voltage a bit, but not the scale i dont think.

so here are some numbers when its working

mesa - 5.2v
pwm module - 12.1v in
m3 s12000 (min) - 2.34v in (2.53 unplugged) 4.92v out
m3 s24000 (max) 4.65/5.07(u) 8.62 out

if i step up the input voltage to 14.2v i get 9.77@24k and 5.24@12k

if i adjust the pot on it i can get 10v but only at 14v. i max out at 8.65 @12v. but when i get 10v, im at 5.78 on the low end which i suppose wouldnt be all that bad with an air cooled spindle vs going too slow

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