Joint following Error with rotational axis
05 Feb 2024 12:08 #292501
by mariusl
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Joint following Error with rotational axis was created by mariusl
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If I stop any Gcode program using the cycle stop button while any of the rotational axis (B and C) are not at 0 or home position, then I get a joint following error on joint 0 and joint 2 (X and Z). If the head is situated at the zero or home location then there is no problem.
If I stop any Gcode program using the cycle stop button while any of the rotational axis (B and C) are not at 0 or home position, then I get a joint following error on joint 0 and joint 2 (X and Z). If the head is situated at the zero or home location then there is no problem.
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05 Feb 2024 13:54 #292512
by Aciera
Replied by Aciera on topic Joint following Error with rotational axis
This indicates that your forward and inverse kinematics do not match one another for B and C angles unequal to zero.
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05 Feb 2024 14:25 #292518
by mariusl
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Replied by mariusl on topic Joint following Error with rotational axis
We did check for that first off but we will look again.
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06 Feb 2024 11:06 #292642
by mariusl
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Replied by mariusl on topic Joint following Error with rotational axis
We installed our config with our kinematics on 2.8.4 using Axis as gui and no problem. Then we did the same with Gmoccapy as gui and again no problem.
The next step was to install on 2.9.2 with Axis as gui and no problem. When we installed the same with Gmoccapy as gui the error presented itself again. I also installed on master 2.10 and the problem exists there as well.
This would suggest that the problem lies somewhere with Gmoccapy and the way it handles multi axis setups.
The next step was to install on 2.9.2 with Axis as gui and no problem. When we installed the same with Gmoccapy as gui the error presented itself again. I also installed on master 2.10 and the problem exists there as well.
This would suggest that the problem lies somewhere with Gmoccapy and the way it handles multi axis setups.
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07 Feb 2024 07:49 #292715
by mariusl
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Replied by mariusl on topic Joint following Error with rotational axis
The following test were done:
1) 2.8.4 with Axis giu - no problem
2) 2.8.4 with Gmoccapy - problem
3) 2.9.2 with Axis - no problem
4) 2.9.2 with Gmoccapy - joint following error on 0 and 2
5) 2.9.2 with GTDragon - joint following error on 0 and 2
6) 2.10 with Gmoccapy - joint following error on 0 and 2
It would seem that both the programs do not handle tool length offset correctly especially if a rotation axis is involved. It seems that the tool length setting jumps to zero if the stop button is pressed while the b axis is not on zero. The C axis and A axis has not been tested yet.
It would seem that the problem occurs when the gui executes a G49 in the background. This does not happen with Axis but it does with Gmoccapy and QTDragon.
G49 should not be used with a multi axis machine at all and there should be an option either on the gui or in the setup to allow the user to make the choice if they want to use it or not.
1) 2.8.4 with Axis giu - no problem
2) 2.8.4 with Gmoccapy - problem
3) 2.9.2 with Axis - no problem
4) 2.9.2 with Gmoccapy - joint following error on 0 and 2
5) 2.9.2 with GTDragon - joint following error on 0 and 2
6) 2.10 with Gmoccapy - joint following error on 0 and 2
It would seem that both the programs do not handle tool length offset correctly especially if a rotation axis is involved. It seems that the tool length setting jumps to zero if the stop button is pressed while the b axis is not on zero. The C axis and A axis has not been tested yet.
It would seem that the problem occurs when the gui executes a G49 in the background. This does not happen with Axis but it does with Gmoccapy and QTDragon.
G49 should not be used with a multi axis machine at all and there should be an option either on the gui or in the setup to allow the user to make the choice if they want to use it or not.
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Marius
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07 Feb 2024 15:08 - 07 Feb 2024 15:11 #292747
by zz912
Replied by zz912 on topic Joint following Error with rotational axis
Gmoccapy use automatic G43 command.
You can try delete it:
github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/blob/54bca1...ccapy.py#L3536-L3540
or you can try delete other parts with G43.
You can try delete it:
github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/blob/54bca1...ccapy.py#L3536-L3540
or you can try delete other parts with G43.
Last edit: 07 Feb 2024 15:11 by zz912.
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07 Feb 2024 15:57 #292751
by mariusl
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Replied by mariusl on topic Joint following Error with rotational axis
From further testing we discovered that it was not the G43 that was causing issues but the G49 that was issued on_abort.
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07 Feb 2024 16:24 #292753
by Aciera
Replied by Aciera on topic Joint following Error with rotational axis
You mean the custom 'on_abort' routine?
I cannot reproduce this in gmoccapy simulation configs, neither estop nor program stop changes 'motion.tooloffset.z' value.
I cannot reproduce this in gmoccapy simulation configs, neither estop nor program stop changes 'motion.tooloffset.z' value.
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07 Feb 2024 16:32 #292754
by mariusl
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Replied by mariusl on topic Joint following Error with rotational axis
Correct, and you cannot simulate the problem either. It only shows up on the running software.
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08 Feb 2024 10:24 #292834
by zz912
Replied by zz912 on topic Joint following Error with rotational axis
Can you tell us more about this problem? I am interesting.
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