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9 years 9 months ago - 9 years 9 months ago #86043 by rodw
Progress has been slow this week but on the brighter side, my PNP normally closed proximity switches arrived. These will be fitted to the gantry ends, 3 each side.

Also steppers online's returns policy means I only have to post the faulty power supply to an Australian address for replacement. They've given me a RO number. It seems it will join the ranks of surplus equipment I've accumulated during this project because a replacement Meanwell power supply arrived from Power Supplies Australia . I've used these guys several times now and they provide really good service.

So here is the working 7.5 amp 48 volt supply I removed on the left beside the newer slimline 10.5 amp one on the right.
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I modified the mount I made from 6mm aluminium so I could bolt the new supply to it. I was able to reuse one hole so it only took a few minutes to revise the original drawing and drill and countersink the holes. The holes will be hidden once installed so it will still look neat.

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If I need to, I can DIN rail mount the smaller supply on the enclosure door which will give me 18 amps of power (and maybe a few burnt out AC switches).

I'll have a total draw from steppers of 13.6 amps and I hope that what Gecko say the way steppers work you can draw 40% more power than the power supply rating. I'm going to be drawing 28% more so it sounds OK for now..

One thing I learnt is that if you end up with an 8 wire stepper motor you need to wire them in parallel for a plasma table as you need speed. This means.they will use the most power (4 amps in my case) hence the bigger power supply,. Lucky my stepper drives are good to 4 amps! Hopefully I will have time to refit the new power supply, and rewire the steppers.tomorrow night and get back to business sorting out the Gmoccapy plasma HAL quagmire.
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9 years 9 months ago - 9 years 9 months ago #86142 by rodw
Well I got my new power supply installed tonight.

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The only problem is the cooling fan blows the wrong way as its against the enclosure fan. Turning it round would mean a fair bit of rewiring on the AC side and also put the AC wiring hard against the 5 volt stepper signals.

When I had problems with the cheap Chinese power supply, I got a 240 volt shock when I was well away from the AC side of the power supply. I'm not sure if I did something stupid (I'm sure I didn't) but I found out why the 48volt circuit LED was not lighting up after this transplant.

The phone photo is not as clear as I'd like but you can see a very scorched current limiting resistor at the bottom of this board.

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When I first turned it on with the new power supply, one of the X axis steppers was not working so after swapping wiring around a few times to troubleshoot, I plugged the wires back into the stepper controller the wrong way round and I saw a wisp of smoke coming out of the connector. I figured the stepper driver was already ruined before this happened but to my surprise I went back to the machine half an hour later and the darn thing was working again!

I was thinking I would order another stepper driver so I had something to play with a rotary axis. Why not? I have a rotary table with a NEMA24 attached that drives my Arduino based dividing head controller and there is a spare stepgen on the 7i76e.

I did have one win. Now I have the control box back together, I was able to resolve this bug that was annoying me
forum.linuxcnc.org/gmoccapy/32164-plasma-component-in-gmoccapy
Turns out is was a bug in gmocappy as it was generating typos in the signal names Grrr.

So now, I just have to reconfigure the X axis to use parallel wiring, up the driver current to 4 amps and there is nothing stopping me from finishing off the THC integration into Gmocappy.
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9 years 9 months ago - 9 years 9 months ago #86603 by rodw
Well, I have not got much to report for the last week or so other than that I've been insanely busy. I ordered a couple of DM542-A steppers from Longs Motor on eBay and I asked them for a quote on expedited shipping and they turned up from China in under a week! I wanted to swap out the one i let a little bit of smoke out of and also ensure I had one for a rotary axis down the track because I have a stepper equipped rotary table and my 7i76e still has an unused step gen on it.

I shipped off the faulty power supply but have not heard anything about it yet. I have not had time to rewire the NEMA34 steppers to use parallel wiring and up their power feed to 4 amps to make use of the extra power. I am sure this will increase performance.

I still have not investigated my gantry limit switch wiring faults but I have got most of the gmocappy plasma pins connected, bench tested and working. But I know I will end up modifying the GUI interface.

I've been spending a fair bit of my time on this thread
forum.linuxcnc.org/38-general-linuxcnc-q...010-plasma-questions

And I have been following Rick G's experimental THC on this thread
forum.linuxcnc.org/10-advanced-configura...190-thc-experimental

I ordered an external Analog to digital shield for an Arduino in the hope that I can write some code that will sample arc voltage.

I've also spend some time getting to understand the current THC source and also how to code PID controllers so I could experiment with a PID controlled THC..

With what time that is left, I've been trying to sort out how to make a part that I'm currently purchasing from a vehicle manufacturer that is included in some products I manufacture and have been talking to foundries, tool makers, 3D CAD guys and even metal testing facilities without impacting on my real job during working hours! I think I feel like Tommy!

All of a sudden the penny dropped with PID controlled THC's today. I had it in my head that you would compare the desired height with the current height and issue a move to the desired height. But now I realise its all about the velocity the torch is travelling along the Z axis..So if its a long way from where it should be, it will have a high velocity to catch up but if its at the desired height, the velocity will be 0. So all of a sudden, PID actually makes sense to me as we can control a continuously variable parameter (velocity) to seek the desired voltage. In other threads I read, people raised concerns about PID while the arc was being established. I think this becomes simple, you just disable the PID until the arc is established. Or even better until such times as you sample the arc voltage at desired cut height. During this journey of discovery, I think I now know enough to implement a THC in conjunction with LCNC's PID component. Whilst it would be easy to include a PID control within a THC component, this is not in keeping with LCNC's modular approach so I think the external PID is the way to go.

I also sensed (rightly or wrongly) that PCW is disappointed that hid THCAD cards are only being used for simple bit bang THC control. But then again based on a couple of threads that seemed to fade away with out a result, maybe BigJohnT has had a go at this in the past before settling on the current THC component that seems to be the basis of most variations of torch height control I've found.

Anyway, I've only got about a week before my laser cut parts are available so the whole custom PID controlled THC will probably go on the back burner for a while but I can see that I will have to have a go at coding a LCNC PID compatible THC component.
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9 years 9 months ago #86619 by Todd Zuercher

rodw wrote: And I have been following Todd's experimental THC on this thread
forum.linuxcnc.org/10-advanced-configura...190-thc-experimental


I think you are giving the wrong person credit.

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9 years 9 months ago #86649 by rodw

Todd Zuercher wrote:

rodw wrote: And I have been following Todd's experimental THC on this thread
forum.linuxcnc.org/10-advanced-configura...190-thc-experimental


I think you are giving the wrong person credit.


Todd, quite right, it was Rick G.

You also deserve heaps of thanks for your guidance as without you and many others I would never have got to this stage but I will update my prior post.

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9 years 9 months ago #86650 by Joco
I'm probably being thick but if you are controlling the velocity with PID what is making the decisions around the size of the move of the Z axis? Is that part of the same PID? Or is there another module I have missed understood from the thread doing this? I recognize that 0 velocity means no move but a non 0 velocity still needs a vector to operate on, yes?

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