Bridgeport VMC760 retrofit
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02 May 2025 22:25 #327565
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Hi folks,
The time has come!
I've owned a Bridgeport VMC760 for the last 4 years. It's been used in my prototyping/fabrication shop here in Australia. The Heidenhain 370 control and Siemens drives have served me well in this time, up until yesterday, when one of the servo drives went bang.
While I'm looking into replacing this drive, I'm also entertaining a retrofit. The machine is a 97' and I fear that I'll be tipping further money into the those drives at some stage. I've never tackled a retrofit of this level, but I've had experience building CNC machines in the past with my business. A couple of one-off 3/4 axis machines for client's specific manufacturing and a home-brew 'Datron' like router we used heavily before the VMC (and still use for high speed spindle applications).
Ideally the retrofit would look something like this:
New axis servos and drives (Interested in Leadshine's newer offerings, but I've had good experiences with DMM, Delta's and Clearpath in the past)
New spindle motor and drive (I've been looking at SVC VFD and encoders to handle orientation, rigid taping etc)
Preference to Ethercat communication for flexibility and wiring
Linux control with a touch screen and a few machine specific buttons up front
Full closed loop control on all axis
Very interested in running this from a Pi5
Ideally retain the original auxiliary control boards (the boards running the contactors for lube, coolant, tool change etc)
These boards look like the take simple logic signals from the Heidenhain.
Retain full operation of the carousel tool changer. Fairly typical Geneva drive style of the time with AC motors and inductive sensors.
The major gaps in my knowledge (I'm sure there are plenty to be honest) are regarding the following points:
I've never worked with Ethercat, but flexibility and lack of wiring are intriguing. Can an Ethercat system run full closed loop control?
Spindle sytem. Originally this machine had 9kw of continuous (11kw peak) power and 76Nm of torque (93Nm peak), 6000rpm max. I'd like to keep such performance. Is a large SVC VFD AC setup with linux/software based spindle synchronisation the right avenue?
Running LinuxCNC on a raspberry Pi. I've only every run it on old scrap PC's with parallel ports back in the hobby days. Latency was always an issue!
I understand most people would suggest binning the machine or just fixing what's there. CNC machines, even on the secondhand market are not as plentiful or cheap here in Australia. It's a decent sized machine that's produced some great work for us in the past and most importantly, it's already in our workshop!
I'll post some pictures when I'm in the workshop later today.
Any input on these topics is very welcomed and appreciated!!
Thanks,
John
The time has come!
I've owned a Bridgeport VMC760 for the last 4 years. It's been used in my prototyping/fabrication shop here in Australia. The Heidenhain 370 control and Siemens drives have served me well in this time, up until yesterday, when one of the servo drives went bang.
While I'm looking into replacing this drive, I'm also entertaining a retrofit. The machine is a 97' and I fear that I'll be tipping further money into the those drives at some stage. I've never tackled a retrofit of this level, but I've had experience building CNC machines in the past with my business. A couple of one-off 3/4 axis machines for client's specific manufacturing and a home-brew 'Datron' like router we used heavily before the VMC (and still use for high speed spindle applications).
Ideally the retrofit would look something like this:
New axis servos and drives (Interested in Leadshine's newer offerings, but I've had good experiences with DMM, Delta's and Clearpath in the past)
New spindle motor and drive (I've been looking at SVC VFD and encoders to handle orientation, rigid taping etc)
Preference to Ethercat communication for flexibility and wiring
Linux control with a touch screen and a few machine specific buttons up front
Full closed loop control on all axis
Very interested in running this from a Pi5
Ideally retain the original auxiliary control boards (the boards running the contactors for lube, coolant, tool change etc)
These boards look like the take simple logic signals from the Heidenhain.
Retain full operation of the carousel tool changer. Fairly typical Geneva drive style of the time with AC motors and inductive sensors.
The major gaps in my knowledge (I'm sure there are plenty to be honest) are regarding the following points:
I've never worked with Ethercat, but flexibility and lack of wiring are intriguing. Can an Ethercat system run full closed loop control?
Spindle sytem. Originally this machine had 9kw of continuous (11kw peak) power and 76Nm of torque (93Nm peak), 6000rpm max. I'd like to keep such performance. Is a large SVC VFD AC setup with linux/software based spindle synchronisation the right avenue?
Running LinuxCNC on a raspberry Pi. I've only every run it on old scrap PC's with parallel ports back in the hobby days. Latency was always an issue!
I understand most people would suggest binning the machine or just fixing what's there. CNC machines, even on the secondhand market are not as plentiful or cheap here in Australia. It's a decent sized machine that's produced some great work for us in the past and most importantly, it's already in our workshop!
I'll post some pictures when I'm in the workshop later today.
Any input on these topics is very welcomed and appreciated!!
Thanks,
John
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03 May 2025 18:16 #327620
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An old PC might actually be better than a Pi for latency.
Add RAM for sure.
The problem with a Pi is it has no power supply of its own.
I run the cooling fans of my 3 stepper drivers off the 12V rail of the PC controlling them (I made a cable to siphon off the PC's power).
Make sure to set the governor to performance; it helps latency a bit.
Run this in a terminal:
echo performance | sudo tee /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/scaling_governor > /dev/null
Add RAM for sure.
The problem with a Pi is it has no power supply of its own.
I run the cooling fans of my 3 stepper drivers off the 12V rail of the PC controlling them (I made a cable to siphon off the PC's power).
Make sure to set the governor to performance; it helps latency a bit.
Run this in a terminal:
echo performance | sudo tee /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/scaling_governor > /dev/null
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03 May 2025 18:22 #327622
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Brushless motors should last almost forever.
You investigate the cause of their breakage to prevent a future breakage.
You can probably keep the old motors.
Motor drivers have improved a lot.
Motors are mostly the same today as they were 30 years ago.
The induction motor is a very, very old invention.
You investigate the cause of their breakage to prevent a future breakage.
You can probably keep the old motors.
Motor drivers have improved a lot.
Motors are mostly the same today as they were 30 years ago.
The induction motor is a very, very old invention.
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03 May 2025 21:35 #327640
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By Nikola Tesla.The induction motor is a very, very old invention.
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03 May 2025 21:59 #327643
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Thanks for the input Langdons.
Good to know that a beefed up PC is a better choice than the Pi.
The thought did cross my mind to keep the motors and replace drivers. I would assume I'd need to get drivers that work with the Siemens encoders or replace the encoders with ones that match the drives.
Does anyone have any experience with this?
Thanks,
J
Good to know that a beefed up PC is a better choice than the Pi.
The thought did cross my mind to keep the motors and replace drivers. I would assume I'd need to get drivers that work with the Siemens encoders or replace the encoders with ones that match the drives.
Does anyone have any experience with this?
Thanks,
J
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03 May 2025 22:00 #327644
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The induction motor is a very, very old invention.
By Nikola Tesla.
Hahaha, so true
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