Fanuc Robodrill AlphaT10C -- Retrofit -- Help

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21 Mar 2013 03:56 #31649 by andypugh

I dont think a standard UART will help. If it was just the encoder data that would not be a
big problem but I think the drive interface serial data includes position data
and motor current data and i have no idea of the format, data rate, checksums etc


As you need a HAL component to get the UART data anyway (it doesn't just appear on HAL pins) then this might be manageable. In fact it almost sounds like fun :-)
Does the UART cope with bit streams longer than 8 bits, though?

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21 Mar 2013 05:05 #31651 by PCW
No its only a 8 bit UART, but specific interface hardware would not be hard to cobble up
(might even be able to disguise it as a sserial peripheral at the register level)
_except_ for the lack of documentation

If the drive expects the host to do current control it would probably require a
embedded processor to do the 10-20 KHz Park/Clarke calcs/PI loops
needed for current control.

(I would use the same 32 bit DSP the resolver interface uses)

It does sound fun but not so much if working in the dark :-)

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22 Mar 2013 10:04 #31706 by jmelson

Hey Guys!

I am new to this forum. :)
I have being using a fanuc robodrill (16m Controller) for past 3 years. Recently there was a problem with the display, which could not be solved by our local engineers. Fanuc is asking around 5500$ for the display and keypad unit. (Without Warranty). :angry: Apprantly because the machine has been handle by local engineers.

My Question is

1) Is it possible to use linux cnc as a controller, keeping the orignal fanuc servos, drives and power supply.

Can you determine what encoders are on the servo motors? I (Pico Systems) have
converters for some Fanuc red cap encoders that allow them to be used with
industry-compatible servo amps. You may have to take the red plastic cover
off the encoders to read the encoder model number off the metal cover inside.
(Using some data I have here, I think you have the (Alpha)A64 serial pulse coder
on the Y motor, and maybe on the Z motor, too. I do have a converter for
those encoders.

Getting the necessary info on the connections to the servo amps will be hard,
Fanuc releases as little info as possible, unfortunately.
Jon

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22 Mar 2013 22:55 #31729 by prashant
Hey jmelson,

will do that. give me a day.

Thanks

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22 Mar 2013 23:07 #31731 by prashant
Hi PCW and Andypugh,

Frankly, i did not understand your conversations (technically). But got that you guys are trying to help me. :)
I am willing to do whatever I can, at my end.

Do you still think that it is practical to go ahead with this? what are the things i need to do.

Thank you.

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23 Mar 2013 00:36 #31734 by andypugh

Do you still think that it is practical to go ahead with this?

It is probably achievable. It isn't going to be a particularly quick job, prepare for it to take months, not weeks.
And that is assuming that we can find a way to get motor feedback, and a way to control the drives.

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23 Mar 2013 02:43 #31740 by prashant
Hi andypugh,

Time & patience should not be an issue. Anyway, I will have to manage all this without hampering my current work.
I am not in hurry.

The way i look at it, after a year or may be two.

Worst Case scenario --- I would have learnt a thing or two about - Electronics, CNC etc.

Best Case scenario --- machine working with CNC LINUX, Seems Nice :)

Would be great if I could know the budget.

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23 Mar 2013 03:01 #31742 by andypugh

Would be great if I could know the budget.

That rather depends on how much can be re-used. If you can keep all the drives, motors, encoders and pushbuttons then probably about $1000. Perhaps $1500 because cables, connectors, terminals, fasteners build up surprisingly quickly.

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23 Mar 2013 11:31 #31757 by prashant
Hi andypugh,

Seems good!

Tell me where to start.

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23 Mar 2013 20:43 #31761 by andypugh

Tell me where to start.

You need to decide the "if you can use the original drives and encoders" question.
You need to work out how what the encoder output is, and whether there is a way to get it into LinuxCNC. Then you need to find out how to control the drives.
If the drives are controlled by simple -10V to +10 signals, then it is fairly easy. I suspect that isn't the case with Fanuc drives.

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