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24 Apr 2025 20:47 #327013 by vre
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motor is 7.5kw so it has enough power machine is heavy 3tons knee mill
and gears are strong enough..
If something breaks will be the tap.

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24 Apr 2025 22:10 #327019 by PCW
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How many degrees of backlash at the spindle?
 With this and the thread pitch, you could determine
the Z axis error caused by the backlash to see how serious it is.

I guess you could even make a hal backlash component for the
encoder position if need be. (create a deadzone on reversals)

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25 Apr 2025 17:19 #327052 by PCW
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Just wait a second after the motor starts before reading RPM from encoder.

This would not work with rigid tapping (the OP's question)

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26 Apr 2025 12:48 #327082 by tommylight
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1% of 360 is 3.6 degree of error, and that will result in broken taps.

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26 Apr 2025 20:18 #327101 by PCW
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I think maybe you don't understand how rigid tapping works.


When rigid tapping, the Z axis motion is synchronized (geared basically)
to the spindle rotation, the synchronized motion is continuous through
the downstroke, spindle reversal and upstroke. Any pause that interferes
with this "gearing" will break taps.

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27 Apr 2025 06:29 #327128 by vre
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rigid tapping needs reversal of spindle so backlash matters.
If i have encoder on spindle shaft backlash
will be problem?
How many lines encoder needed for rigid tapping?

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28 Apr 2025 16:37 #327222 by vre
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Why if i put in spindle shaft an aluminum disk with 2x100 holes(pi/2 equally spaced for A-B) and 1 hole for index drilled on the same mill?
I think i can do holes 1-1.5mm in the same mill accurately.

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28 Apr 2025 16:56 - 28 Apr 2025 22:22 #327223 by PCW
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Typically you just have one track of holes and the B detector offset from the A detector by
hole_pitch*(N+1/4). That is, if the holes were 2 mm apart, the A/B detectors would be
spaced .50 MM or 2.50 mm or 4.50 mm etc.

This 1/4 pitch offset gives you the desired 90 degree phase difference between A and B.
Note the when drilling holes you should aim for a 50% duty cycle waveform
on A and B. This may require some experimentation and changing  the sensors
radial positions.
Last edit: 28 Apr 2025 22:22 by PCW.

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02 May 2025 20:01 #327538 by andypugh
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A workaround if you are worried about phase error on reversal is to use a tension-comopression tap holder to absorb the axial mismatch.

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05 May 2025 15:00 #327762 by vre
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I found this app to do the design so can cut this with laser

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