Qtplasmac with proma thc 150 Z axis up and down too quick!

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22 Jun 2023 18:08 #274069 by RRicardo
Hi all,
I have helped a friend to mount a plasma cnc using linuxcnc with qtplasmac gui, the working area is with 3000x2100mm, Z travel with 350mm for perhaps in the future install a rotary axis.

We install proma thc 150 and all works really well until we start to cut 20mm of steel.
The Z axis starts to go up and down very quick causing bad quality in the cut, for this height of 20mm we have setup the plasma with 87 amps and proma thc 150 with 152 volts at a feedrate of 400 mm/minute.

The plasma is a Roluk inverter cut 100 HF with Autocut A 101P torche.
Until 10/15mm of cuting all runs good but cutting 20mm the quality isn´t so good, this plasma is anounced to be bable to manual cutting until 45mm  so even discounting some for cnc cutting it should be "easy" to cut 20mm.

Any help will be apreciated, thank you in advance.

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22 Jun 2023 18:30 #274076 by tommylight
In the settings page, set the P value for THC to 9 or 8 from the default 10.
You can also set the Z speed lower, but when cutting thin sheets that would need to be changed again.
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22 Jun 2023 19:09 - 22 Jun 2023 19:10 #274081 by RRicardo
We have changed the P value to 8, minor changes in cut quality, then to 6 then to 7 and it seems 7 is the value, very thanks.
Maybe tomorow we will change the z axis speed.
How can we change z axis cut speed without change in stepconfig?

thank you very much for your attention i will give feed back.
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22 Jun 2023 19:39 #274083 by tommylight
Same page, setup speed, probably but not sure if that also limits THC speed.
Does not hurt to try.
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22 Jun 2023 19:46 - 22 Jun 2023 19:46 #274085 by RRicardo
Thank you Tommy.
We think z axis is really really with huge speed, we have exagerated on purpose and fine cut height with this setup is with value of P=3%.
So tomorow we will balance the speed of z axis, we have speed up the z axis to speed up probe speed because we have a floating switch.
In sheets with 2x1,5m cutting pieces with 200x100mm and so, probe speed is a issue if is slow, so perhaps we will fine tune this to balance the speed workflow.

thank you
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23 Jun 2023 02:17 #274109 by phillc54

Same page, setup speed, probably but not sure if that also limits THC speed.
Does not hurt to try.

Setup Speed is all plasmac Z axis motion except for THC which uses MAX_VELOCITY from the ini file.
 
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23 Jun 2023 08:33 - 23 Jun 2023 08:49 #274123 by RRicardo
Thank you for your help always...!
Here some examples of plasma cnc working. Don´t know how put videos, i show you some images.
Machine was made here in Portugal! by us, with support of you in this forum and linuxcnc.org and youtube...
I think this machine in last 3 months, have cutted almost 6 tons

Very thanks
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23 Jun 2023 11:16 #274124 by rodw
There is a limit we can do to help you with the Proma 150 you are using. Tommy here is probably the most experienced with them.
eusurplus is also in Portugal. I suggest you contact them and upgrade to a Mesa card with a THCAD and replace the proma. (I don't think Tommy has used a Proma for years)

I'm glad someone else wants to make probing as fast as possible. It can be done!
Here is a super short video I did
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23 Jun 2023 12:16 #274129 by tommylight
What is the Proma set to?
You can try raising the DV on the proma a bit.
For normal use all the values should be at their minimum, except the ArcOK voltage.
Been a while... i think it does +-1V min, so raise that to 2 or 3 and do some tests.
Sorry i did not recal this earlier, Rod just reminded me, thank you.
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23 Jun 2023 13:33 #274136 by RRicardo
Thank you Rod
We have seen Mesa cards and THCAD system.
In first place we were prepared to equip this machine using UCCNC AXBB-E board with proma thc 150.
Then after some research we discover linuxcnc and this forum after my first build and no longer left linuxcnc.
So we bought proma thc and conect to a lpt board but yes maybe you are right in a industrial environment and near future we will upgrade to mesa card with Thcad system.

Also try to upgrade to a non hf plasma to take advantage of omic probes like in your video since HF Plasma and omic probes are not friends i guess.
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