Chiron FZ 18 S retrofit

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17 Oct 2021 15:19 - 17 Oct 2021 15:22 #223390 by radom
I bought this Chiron VMC earlier this year and I'm almost done with my retrofit but have a couple of questions,
my setup:
7i92 + 7i77
Siemens Simodrive 690  analog +/-10V servo 4 axis + spindle
In theory machine is capable of 20m/min rapids,
4000rpm servo at 10V , 2:1 belt reduction, 10mm pitch ballscrew = 20m/min = 333.333 mm/s
is this correct then?:
OUTPUT_SCALE = 333.333
OUTPUT_MIN_LIMIT = -333.333
OUTPUT_MAX_LIMIT = 333.333
MAX_VELOCITY = 333.333
but what do I do if I don't need 20m/min, lets say I want to limit rapids to 10m/min
do I leave output_scale as it is and change min limit max limit and max velocity to 166.166?

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17 Oct 2021 20:07 #223412 by tommylight
Replied by tommylight on topic Chiron FZ 18 S retrofit
No need, just set the max velocity in the ini file for each axis and joint, but also in the "display" and "traj" sections of the ini file.
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18 Oct 2021 10:57 #223444 by anfänger
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Nice another Chiron on LinuxCNC.

As Tommy said
Scales must be on 333.333 and set the max velocity on the joints/axis, traj and Ini to 166
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10 Dec 2021 20:44 - 10 Dec 2021 20:46 #228812 by radom
Replied by radom on topic Chiron FZ 18 S retrofit

Nice another Chiron on LinuxCNC.

As Tommy said
Scales must be on 333.333 and set the max velocity on the joints/axis, traj and Ini to 166
 


I have a question for you, as you have similar machine 
how do you do tool clamp/unclamp, do you use only one air solenoid? 
I have four air connections on the spindle,
bottom left - is air blast,
bottom right I have no idea what the air is doing and where is going,
top left is tool unclamp?
top right - does it force push the tool out?
I think I got ahead of myself
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11 Dec 2021 11:16 #228866 by anfänger
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looks a bit different than mine, bit I never have removed the tool changer. And got a 10.000 rpm spindle.
I only have airblast and tool release, bit tool release has two lines.
Maybe your machine has a second line for airblast?
I can't see it in my schematics. If you like I can share them

Cheers Patrick

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11 Dec 2021 12:18 #228872 by radom
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looks a bit different than mine, bit I never have removed the tool changer. And got a 10.000 rpm spindle.
I only have airblast and tool release, bit tool release has two lines.
Maybe your machine has a second line for airblast?
I can't see it in my schematics. If you like I can share them

Cheers Patrick

I removed the tool changer because I don't have those fancy tool holders and half of the arms were damaged/missing
this is 7,5kw 10500rpm spindle
maybe its airblast only something is clogged who knows, I'm more interested in tool release, do you use both lines?
I know one line moves air cylinder down to release tool but I'm not sure if I should be providing air to the other line after tool change?
it looks like the other line is for forcing air cylinder up so it doesn't rest on drawbar springs
if you could share tool change schematic it would be greatly appreciated 
 

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11 Dec 2021 13:24 #228874 by anfänger
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I thin also pushing the cylinder up, well make the tool change more reliable. For schematics see the dropbox link below.

www.dropbox.com/sh/gytxrb7iajy0585/AABte...BtZ9Yl6xX8CzgWa?dl=0

let me know if you can access my scans.
(They are not well organized but all I got with the machine)
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26 Feb 2022 17:16 #235854 by radom
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thank you for the scans,
I get rid of of all the old air valves and installed one single 5/2 valve for manual toolchange
I need to regrease the spindle bearings because they are incredibly loud, or maybe even change them but I keep putting it off, I don't know if I'd be able to disassembly the spindle
another issue is my pc is not up to par, I'm getting errors:
Unexpected realtime delay on task 0 with period 100000
hm2/hm2_7i92.0: Smart serial port 0: dolt not cleared from previous servo thread
hm2/hm2_7i92.0: error finishing read!

latency is around 110.000 is that too much or could it be ethernet problem?Fujitsu S720 AMD GX-217GA with RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller Linux fuji 4.19.0-17-rt-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Debian 4.19.194-2 (2021-06-21) x86_64 GNU/Linuxradom@fuji:~$ halcmd show param *.tmax
Parameters:
Owner Type Dir Value Name
26 s32 RW 0 hm2_7i92.0.read-request.tmax
26 s32 RW 1562510 hm2_7i92.0.read.tmax
26 s32 RW 342526 hm2_7i92.0.write.tmax
42 s32 RW 121449 ilowpass.0.tmax
19 s32 RW 44974 motion-command-handler.tmax
19 s32 RW 261740 motion-controller.tmax
39 s32 RW 67324 mux4.0.tmax
29 s32 RW 85587 pid.a.do-pid-calcs.tmax
29 s32 RW 65697 pid.s.do-pid-calcs.tmax
29 s32 RW 80970 pid.x.do-pid-calcs.tmax
29 s32 RW 63853 pid.y.do-pid-calcs.tmax
29 s32 RW 75640 pid.z.do-pid-calcs.tmax
20 s32 RW 1991729 servo-thread.tmax
32 s32 RW 65582 timedelay.0.tmax
32 s32 RW 67835 timedelay.1.tmax
radom@fuji:~$ ping 10.10.10.11
PING 10.10.10.11 (10.10.10.11) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 10.10.10.11: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.083 ms
64 bytes from 10.10.10.11: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=0.090 ms
64 bytes from 10.10.10.11: icmp_seq=3 ttl=64 time=0.100 ms
64 bytes from 10.10.10.11: icmp_seq=4 ttl=64 time=0.103 ms
64 bytes from 10.10.10.11: icmp_seq=5 ttl=64 time=0.080 ms
64 bytes from 10.10.10.11: icmp_seq=6 ttl=64 time=0.076 ms
64 bytes from 10.10.10.11: icmp_seq=7 ttl=64 time=0.073 ms
64 bytes from 10.10.10.11: icmp_seq=8 ttl=64 time=0.098 ms
64 bytes from 10.10.10.11: icmp_seq=9 ttl=64 time=0.108 ms
64 bytes from 10.10.10.11: icmp_seq=10 ttl=64 time=0.082 ms
64 bytes from 10.10.10.11: icmp_seq=11 ttl=64 time=0.085 ms
64 bytes from 10.10.10.11: icmp_seq=12 ttl=64 time=0.088 ms
64 bytes from 10.10.10.11: icmp_seq=13 ttl=64 time=0.098 ms
64 bytes from 10.10.10.11: icmp_seq=14 ttl=64 time=0.084 ms
^C
--- 10.10.10.11 ping statistics ---
14 packets transmitted, 14 received, 0% packet loss, time 326ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.073/0.089/0.108/0.011 ms

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26 Feb 2022 22:00 #235879 by tommylight
Replied by tommylight on topic Chiron FZ 18 S retrofit
In the .ini file, put back the servo period to 1000000 where it was, it will not work at 100000.

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27 Feb 2022 06:35 #235894 by radom
Replied by radom on topic Chiron FZ 18 S retrofit
thats my mistake, I was rewriting the errors from memory,
servo thread is of course 1000000 in .ini
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