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19 Mar 2023 03:59 #267058 by rodw
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@Snowwy,
Can you please check the torque charts for the "servos" you got?
Sorry, but i still get very P.O. at "clearpath servos" as i am sure they were selling closed loop steppers as servos a few years back.
Thank you.

It looks like they could still be Tommy based on the torque curves.
I would expect servo motor torque curves to follow something like this


Ref: www.orientalmotor.com/servo-motors/techn...-motor-features.html

You can see here the torque is constant regardless of speed until it gets to 3000 rpm
The clearpath torque curves follow the more normal form of a stepper motor.
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20 Mar 2023 11:27 - 20 Mar 2023 11:28 #267133 by snowgoer540
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I was under the impression (maybe from a John Saunders NYCCNC video back in the day) that the SK model was designed to be a drop in replacement for a stepper, and the torque curves were designed to be similar to steppers on purpose (the video below does mention this).

If you look at the HD models, the torque curve is probably more what you both seem to expect, but at quite a price difference.

Anyways, this video is worth a watch:

Warning: Spoiler!


At any rate they're definitely servos:
teknic.com/products/clearpath-brushless-dc-servo-motors/
 
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20 Mar 2023 11:47 #267136 by tommylight
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I can not fathom why would they or anyone make servo systems imitate a stepper system, seems unreasonable on many levels and waste of potential.
Sorry for steering off topic, and thank you, all.

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20 Mar 2023 12:44 #267142 by snowgoer540
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He did loosely cover that in the video I linked "high torque at low speed to allow driving lower speed applications without gearing".  Not saying he's right or wrong, just citing what he said.

I've been impressed so far, with both their product and their customer service.  They spent way more time than they had to on the phone with me (they called me, which is rare) answering my probably-silly questions about tuning parameters they didn't write (Tormach did), among other things.

The best part of the current CNC scene is that there are a myriad of products and you get to choose which products you want to consume, and from which business you want to consume them from.
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20 Mar 2023 13:01 #267146 by rodw
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I can not fathom why would they or anyone make servo systems imitate a stepper system, seems unreasonable on many levels and waste of potential.
Sorry for steering off topic, and thank you, all.

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I'm not saying they aren't good motors but its a misleading analysis designed to keep the so called inferior stepper in the resonance zone.
Glosses over and ignores a lot of engineering on the stepper side..
I looked at one of our motors we did detailed engineering for. A nema 24 capable of 60 m/min rapids with a 3:1 reduction and on the X axis, its maximum power requirement of 9.81 watts. It would be rare for a motor that size  to need 100 watts. We overrate steppers using Lam's step boost technology., not underrate them and we never loose steps.
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20 Mar 2023 13:16 #267147 by rodw
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He did loosely cover that in the video I linked "high torque at low speed to allow driving lower speed applications without gearing". .

Clearly they have been designed as a drop in replacement dfor steppers. If a machine was engineered from scratch, thye would have significant limiting factors. It would be a rare case where gearing is not required in any motion application. Sometimes its not obvious as its driving a ballscrew. Hight torque at low speed is advantageous for plasma as it alows faster Accelleration. A more conventional servo has constant torque across the whole rev range. We don't need 3000-5000 rpm servos so gearing down make sense to amplify that torque at all speeds. Also the more conventional servo can handle 200-300% over rating for short periods (as the graph I shared shows),  We only need 30 ms to get to 10 m/sec at 0.5 G accelleration so that works to advantage.

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