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18 Jan 2022 07:41 #232230 by Ekholm
Is my idea to tap into the raw voltage a bad idea, or shouldn't it work?
My thoughts it that then i would "calibrate" the voltage to be spot on?

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18 Jan 2022 08:47 - 18 Jan 2022 08:48 #232236 by rodw
Replied by rodw on topic THCAD 10 to Herocut 55i (1:1)
You don't need to calibrate the plasma, you just need to set the THCAD parameters up correctly so to rush in and change things now might be a step backwards.

lets see solve for X (volts) from thcad manual, 
(x-10)/100 = 2.24 M
x-10 = 2.24m*100
x-10 = 224
x = 224+10
x =234 volts

So 10 volts in thcad = 234 volts
so your divider is  23.4:1
(234/10)

So what are the 0 volt and 10 volt numbers on your calibration sticker ?
Have you got the link on the thcad set to 1/32?
 
Last edit: 18 Jan 2022 08:48 by rodw.

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18 Jan 2022 10:47 #232255 by tommylight
Do not open plasma.
The voltage does not have to be spot on, it will work even if voltage on screen is way off.
Set the scale and offset to what the calculator says, start using the machine.
If the voltage is way off, adjust the scale a bit.

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18 Jan 2022 11:44 #232271 by Ekholm
Thanks for the help.

0v 118,2kHz
10V 938,9 kHz
Yes i have it set to 1/32.
I thought that i hade to put the scale to 2240000 :side:

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18 Jan 2022 13:11 #232286 by rodw
Replied by rodw on topic THCAD 10 to Herocut 55i (1:1)
Ok, we will use Herz here:
Offset =    118200/32  = 3693.75
0 volt to 10 volt frequency range = 938900/32 - 3693.75
= 29340.625 - 3693.75
= 25646.875 per 10 volts
= 3564.6875 Hz per volt
But Plasmac uses volts per Hz so take the reciprocal 
0.000389911051541

So your data =
offset = 3693.75
scale = 0.000389911051541


Lets do a test. Say the frequency on the encoder was 23693.75
deduct offset = 20000
THCAD internal voltage 20000 * scale = 7.798 volts
Torch voltage = max scale (234) * 7.798/10
= 182 volts
I would expect to see cut voltages of between 90-130 volts.
Its always best to take the time to understand how this works.
If you use halshow to find encoder.n.velocity when not cutting it should be hovering round the offset of  3693

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19 Jan 2022 02:29 - 19 Jan 2022 02:31 #232382 by snowgoer540
To absolve some possible confusion, I feel compelled to point out there's a typo below (change red):

= 25646.875 per 10 volts
= 2564.6875 Hz per volt
But Plasmac uses volts per Hz so take the reciprocal 
0.000389911051541


So your data =
offset = 3693.75
scale = 0.000389911051541



That's true, for a voltage divider of 1.

For a voltage divider of 23.4 (value calculated in post above), the values are as follows:


offset = 3693.75
scale = 0.00912392



Another source for the calculations: linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/plasma/qtpl...c.html#qt_mesa-thcad
And a handy calculator for the values: jscalc.io/calc/NTr5QDX6WgMThBVb
Last edit: 19 Jan 2022 02:31 by snowgoer540.

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19 Jan 2022 02:58 #232385 by rodw
Replied by rodw on topic THCAD 10 to Herocut 55i (1:1)
Thanks, 
Now I know why I still scale my torch voltage with a component I wrote years before plasmac was around that does all the maths for me. I set my scale = 1 and offset = 0.

I can't quite remember the issue but very early plasmac did not let me enter the required values due to an error in the field validation limits.

0.000389911051541 * 23.4 = 0.00912392
 

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19 Jan 2022 14:52 #232439 by Ekholm
It’s working!
The following user(s) said Thank You: phillc54, tommylight, Clive S, rodw, snowgoer540

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