Gildemeister NEF 480 Retrofit
28 Mar 2021 14:29 #203906
by db1981
Replied by db1981 on topic Gildemeister NEF 480 Retrofit
hi,
have there been Fanuc DC Drives in the cabinet original like in my machine?
then this trafo will output something between 3x 100-150V. I can check this in detail, next time i am near to the cabinet...
have there been Fanuc DC Drives in the cabinet original like in my machine?
then this trafo will output something between 3x 100-150V. I can check this in detail, next time i am near to the cabinet...
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28 Mar 2021 14:47 #203908
by anfänger
Replied by anfänger on topic Gildemeister NEF 480 Retrofit
Yes I had the Fanuc 110 dc drives.
I would be great If you can check on yours. I tried my documentation but there was nothing about the power supplies.
I would be great If you can check on yours. I tried my documentation but there was nothing about the power supplies.
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29 Mar 2021 14:20 #204038
by RotarySMP
Replied by RotarySMP on topic Gildemeister NEF 480 Retrofit
The Lichuan manual refers to connecting 230VAC into two terminals of the 230VAC 3-Ph inputs. I have read that most invertors can be run on single phase, be it with a derate.
Have you seen more specific information regarding what "trouble" beyond a loss of full power comes from running on single phase?
Mark
Have you seen more specific information regarding what "trouble" beyond a loss of full power comes from running on single phase?
Mark
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29 Mar 2021 14:35 - 29 Mar 2021 14:40 #204042
by Aciera
Replied by Aciera on topic Gildemeister NEF 480 Retrofit
You could just try 400V on 1U1-1V1-1W1 and see what you get on the other 1Ux-1Vx-1Wx.
Just make sure you use a proper CAT III multimeter and not some cheap junk.
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But really I'm not sure it's worth the trouble. I think you should get plenty of power with just the one phase.
Just make sure you use a proper CAT III multimeter and not some cheap junk.
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But really I'm not sure it's worth the trouble. I think you should get plenty of power with just the one phase.
Last edit: 29 Mar 2021 14:40 by Aciera.
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29 Mar 2021 15:11 #204051
by andypugh
Replied by andypugh on topic Gildemeister NEF 480 Retrofit
Most 3-phase inverters have a 3-phase bridge as the input.
Running on single phase you are only using 4 out of 6 diodes.
Also, the ripple voltage in the caps will be higher.
But other than that, unless the inverter has phase-loss monitoring it won't even know.
The increased ripple is the reason to de-rate.
You can even, apparently, re-configure the input stage to a Delon doubler, and get 400V from 240V input. But then you really have to derate a lot as the difference between half-wave rectification and 3-phase is pretty high.
Running on single phase you are only using 4 out of 6 diodes.
Also, the ripple voltage in the caps will be higher.
But other than that, unless the inverter has phase-loss monitoring it won't even know.
The increased ripple is the reason to de-rate.
You can even, apparently, re-configure the input stage to a Delon doubler, and get 400V from 240V input. But then you really have to derate a lot as the difference between half-wave rectification and 3-phase is pretty high.
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29 Mar 2021 15:15 #204054
by anfänger
Replied by anfänger on topic Gildemeister NEF 480 Retrofit
The trouble I have is, that i'ts getting smoking hot. Even in standby.
So I am not sure if it's ok. Still waiting for some feedback from Lichuan. And don't test the second driver.
I have nothing against using single phase, except the smoking.
So I am not sure if it's ok. Still waiting for some feedback from Lichuan. And don't test the second driver.
I have nothing against using single phase, except the smoking.
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29 Mar 2021 15:18 #204055
by Aciera
yeah, that does not sound right.
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The trouble I have is, that i'ts getting smoking hot.
yeah, that does not sound right.
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05 Apr 2021 16:09 - 05 Apr 2021 17:25 #204914
by anfänger
Replied by anfänger on topic Gildemeister NEF 480 Retrofit
Still no real progress with the servos.
When connecting Two or three phases I blow allways a fuse.
When using 1phase and neutral The drives struts but is getting hot.
the old 100V DC for the servo drives used a single phase transformer, so I can't use this ir generate 220V three phase from 400V three phase.
And no feedback from Lichuan yet.
I am kind of stuck here.
It also looks like I killed my handwheels, they don't work anymore. I am not sure if they got 24V instead if 5v while doing the first tests.
Also still waiting for spare parts to fix the oil system.
I started think the project is too much for my skills. To get me on other thoughts I cleaned the courtyard and did some work in the Garden.
But the the weather changed and I can't stop with the lathe now. I have come to far. So back to the lathe.
I Updates probe basic and qtpyvcp and started to Check the IO's and update the Hal files where I made changes during wiring.
I hardwired the power for the chuck control to the spindle enable signal.
So as soon as the spindle starts the chuck can't be unclamped:
And I gave the spindle Motor a brief test:
After this successful test I can start to configure the VFD to be controlled by linuxcnc. And it at least some small progress.
When connecting Two or three phases I blow allways a fuse.
When using 1phase and neutral The drives struts but is getting hot.
the old 100V DC for the servo drives used a single phase transformer, so I can't use this ir generate 220V three phase from 400V three phase.
And no feedback from Lichuan yet.
I am kind of stuck here.
It also looks like I killed my handwheels, they don't work anymore. I am not sure if they got 24V instead if 5v while doing the first tests.
Also still waiting for spare parts to fix the oil system.
I started think the project is too much for my skills. To get me on other thoughts I cleaned the courtyard and did some work in the Garden.
But the the weather changed and I can't stop with the lathe now. I have come to far. So back to the lathe.
I Updates probe basic and qtpyvcp and started to Check the IO's and update the Hal files where I made changes during wiring.
I hardwired the power for the chuck control to the spindle enable signal.
So as soon as the spindle starts the chuck can't be unclamped:
And I gave the spindle Motor a brief test:
After this successful test I can start to configure the VFD to be controlled by linuxcnc. And it at least some small progress.
Last edit: 05 Apr 2021 17:25 by anfänger.
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06 Apr 2021 07:05 #205046
by db1981
Replied by db1981 on topic Gildemeister NEF 480 Retrofit
What Typ of Lichuan Drives are this exactly? (Typ Plate...)
Wiring them up with single Phase 230V should give no problems.
I was not able to get on the cabinet doors right now. I parked them at an outside wall from the storage, and sadly at the moment there are a tons of open air stages parts are stored around them.
How far is "Montabaur" from your location?
Wiring them up with single Phase 230V should give no problems.
I was not able to get on the cabinet doors right now. I parked them at an outside wall from the storage, and sadly at the moment there are a tons of open air stages parts are stored around them.
How far is "Montabaur" from your location?
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06 Apr 2021 09:52 #205058
by anfänger
Replied by anfänger on topic Gildemeister NEF 480 Retrofit
I found wiring diagram for the powersupply and the three phase transform is a low voltage one and the 100V are made out of a single phase Transformer.
Montabaur ist 160km form me.
I have the A4 :
servo.xlichuan.com/ProductsStd_209.html
As far as I understood it should work with single phase 230V AC.
I write to Lichuan again to confirm. with 230V the control loop is running well. But the main loop is getting hot. I am not sure if the first drive has a problem or I overlooked something.
Maybe I take the risk and try to switch on the second drive. Or start to set them up without the main loop.
Montabaur ist 160km form me.
I have the A4 :
servo.xlichuan.com/ProductsStd_209.html
As far as I understood it should work with single phase 230V AC.
I write to Lichuan again to confirm. with 230V the control loop is running well. But the main loop is getting hot. I am not sure if the first drive has a problem or I overlooked something.
Maybe I take the risk and try to switch on the second drive. Or start to set them up without the main loop.
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